Re: Final updates to draft-ietf-ccamp-sdhsonet-control-03.txt

["Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>]

Hi Vishal,

Apologies for the delay in replying.

I certainly don't want to drag this out into a long debate one way or the other. We run
the risk of spending more cycles on this than we would have done simply to make the
changes.

> While we certainly appreciate the efforts to move the draft and
> are keen to do so ourselves to move the WG work forward,
> we do not think there is a need to burden someone else with
> making the very last set of changes to the document at this
> late stage.
>
> We have promised to get the work done within the next 4 odd
> weeks, which is pretty short order.
>
> It is great that there is someone willing to make the changes
> (who is it?), but it is a *greater workload* for us to coordinate
> the changes with someone else, rather than making them ourselves!
>
> (We have, after all, been editing the draft for over 2 years
> (the document is much older), and are certainly better equipped
> to make these changes.)
>
> As such, we would like for us to make the changes, and do not
> agree with the idea of hading the draft over to someone else, at
> this stage.
>
> BTW, which CCAMP drafts are in the RFC etc. queue, whose progress
> depends _solely_ upon the progress of this draft? Even if there
> are, are they likely to clear the queue, before DC?

There are several drafts that are blocking progress of very many items on the RFC Ed's
queue. This is a mess that has gone on too long, and the chairs bear a fair amount of
responsibility for being lax in chasing up various people and actions.

Various people (including editors, and chairs) are now getting put under pressure to
complete their jobs very quickly or to stand aside.

The status of the blocking drafts is as follows:

- P&R functional spec:
   marked up after AD review
   with Kireeti to confirm changes are OK
   response planned this week
   then submit and pass to IESG
- P&R terminology
   ditto
- G.709
   updates after AD review done
   reviewed for changes (just done by me)
   re-publication imminent
   the pass to IESG
- SDH/SONET control
   AD comments made on 4th March
   re-published 15th July
   I reviewed 25th July
- Overlay draft
   WG last call completed 23rd March
   No response from authors so I made changes 26th April
   AD comments 13th July
   No response from authors despite several pings
- LMP MIB
  Just gone into IETF last call

> If the need of the WG is so extremely dire for the progress of
> this draft, let us know. We will do our best to make time for it.

"Dire" would be an exageration, but there are now drafts from several WGs blocked by the
list above.

> Otherwise, the WG will have the revised document from us shortly
> anyway.

Frankly, I cannot see why you object to someone else making these editorial updates. Since
I have heard no objection from anyone else in the WG (nor from the other two authors), we
will take Eric Gray up on his kind offer to make the last changes and submit a revised
version of the draft.

Eric will make the necessary edits and work with the all of the authors to submit a new
draft really soon.

Thanks,
Adrian