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Re: A quick question on http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-recovery-e2e-signaling-03.txt



Hi Zafar,
 
I have a question to you. Why would you need a dedicated 1:1 protection without allowing the protection LSP to be used for carrying extra traffic? If the resources of the protection LSP are allocated anyway and the LSP is totally dedicated to protect the working LSP you might as well bridge the traffic on the protection LSP with an immediate benefit of much better recovery time. The whole point of 1:1 protection is to allow using resources of the protection LSP for something else - carrying extra traffic in case of dedicated 1:1 or extra traffic and other protection LSPs in cases of shared 1:1 protection.
 
The other thing to note is that extra traffic does not have to be carried all the time or any time for that matter - 1:1 protected service is provisioned in such a way that extra traffic could be carried over idle protection LSP should such need arise in the future. Thus, Dimitri is right: O-bit is set to zero for the protection LSP to signal the fact that originally the protection LSP is going to be idle in a sense that it will not be carrying the"normal" (read protected traffic) and is ready to carry extra traffic.
 
Cheers and Happy Holidays,
Igor
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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:49 AM

 


From: Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be [mailto:Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:05 AM
To: Zafar Ali (zali)
Cc: Adrian Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Re: A quick question on http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-recovery-e2e-signaling-03.txt


zafar, i am not sure to fully understand your question

the O-bit is used for 1+1 and 1:1 protection scheme such as to have an indication when a protecting LSP is carrying the "normal" traffic after protection switching (so it applies only in case of 1+1 LSP uni-/bidirectional protection or 1:1 LSP protection)  .
 
Dimitri,
 
More specifically, my question was mainly on what "LSP (Protection Type) Flags" to use for, dedicated 1:1 protection, where
  • Traffic is NOT duplicated at working and protecting LSP-es (i.e., this is not 1+1 protection),
  • There is NO extra traffic on the protecting LSP (i.e., it's dedicated protection),
In this case there is NO duplication of the traffic on the backup resource (it's NOT 1+1). There is also NO extra traffic that protection resources carry.
 
Thanks
 
Regards... Zafar
 


thanks,
- dimitri.

ps: purpose is not to "contrast" between protection schemes



"Zafar Ali \(zali\)" <zali@cisco.com>
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19/12/2005 23:10

       
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Hi All,
 
It's a bit confusing how one would encode protection object for dedicated 1:1 protection (without traffic duplication) and I thought it deserves a confirmation.
 
I just wanted to confirm that to signal an LSP that is dedicated 1:1 protection, where
  • Traffic is NOT duplicated at working and protecting LSP-es (i.e., this is not 1+1 protection),
  • There is NO extra traffic on the protecting LSP (i.e., it's dedicated protection),
we are expected to:
  • Set O-bit in protection object to 1 in signaling protecting LSP, to indicate that the protecting LSP is (only) carrying the normal traffic after protection switching (i.e., It's NOT 1+1 setup). If contrasting 1:1 with 1+1 is NOT the intended use of O-bit, what is the intended use.
  • LSP (Protection Type) Flags to 0x10 = 1+1 Bi-directional Protection (for GMPLS optical LSPs). I.e., this is a dedicated protection.
If above is not the intended use of O-bit, I am not sure why O-bit is defined (as protection LSP is expected to carry normal traffic after switchover). In which is it expected to use 0x04 = 1:N Protection with Extra-Traffic as LSP (Protection Type) Flags?
 
Thanks
 
Regards... Zafar