Re: Comments on draft-ietf-grip-isp-expectations-04.txt

[Bill Woodcock <woody@zocalo.net>]

First, I'd like to second all Jeff's technical commends regarding relaying
and so forth.

    > >   ISPs should also strongly encourage their customers to disable open
    > >   relaying on their mail servers.
    > 
    > should probably not be there.

I do have to disagree on this, though, and support the existing text.  We
do and must continue to encourage customers to close relays, since every
open relay _is_ abused constantly, and generates a huge and continuous
support load through the abuse channel.

    > I believe that the state of "play" with
    > open mail relays vs. the spammers vs. the anti-spam vigilantes is
    > sufficiently unstable that we, the IETF, should not be making
    > recommendations of a policy nature such as this one.

I'd rather see the definition of "open relay" made less
technology-specific, but the injunction left in place.


    > >5.4 Message Submission
    > Is this stuff really deployed?

Not so far as I've seen.

    > Perhaps this section should be re-worded to briefly explain what message
    > submission is, followed by a statement that client support is
    > anticipated eventually followed by a recommendation to support it as
    > well as traditional methods in anticipation of the day when it can be
    > made mandatory.

Sounds reasonable to me.

                                -Bill