[idn] THis WG derailed ?

["Soobok Lee" <lsb@postel.co.kr>]

This WG  should focus on issues of AVERAGE length of ACE lables.

We have not enough time for the debate around max ACE label length.
We have already many useful ACE alternatives 
to overcome this 14-han barrier easily.

bare DUDE produces  long and complex ACE lables for average length of
han/hangul domains, while DUDE's algorithm seems to be simple.
We have no justification for why we should sacrifice 
label simplicity for code simplicity, 
while we already have very HUGE mapping tables 
and algorithms in NAMEPREP and KC Norm.
ACE codes are written once and copied and executed many times.
Output label simplicity matters.

No one has provided the right reason 
to exclude needs for the following names. 
What does it GIVE us  to ban people from registering them?
What does ACE code simplicity give us ?

Soobok
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ONE EVIDENCE from Chinese Gov for domains of 16 han letters.

(SC1) Simplified Chinese String  1 : ( 16 letters )
      <ministry of foreign trade and economic cooperation, PRC>
      u+4e2d u+534e u+4eba u+6c11 u+5171 u+548c u+56fd u+5bf9
      u+5916 u+8d38 u+6613 u+7ecf u+6d4e u+5408 u+4f5c u+90e8

      DUDE-02 : w8wpt7ydt79euu4mv7yax9puzb7seu8r7wuq85umt27ntv2bv3wgt\
                5xe795e ( 60 chars )
      LDUDE   : xswjuzru6nu7fv7kv4gutrwgb7mbwiu6cuzqqxm
                ( 39 chars, 35.0% shorter )
      AMCW    : w8up29ps5kdst5uh7ygsup29pm3cb39n8tknpb39hkygswhdysupa\
                qd ( 55 chars )
      LAMCW   : xsujwxgu3kwwrv3fwvduunykm5ab9jwvmuwfmta
                ( 39 chars )


ANOTHER EVIDENCE from korean site names of 18 hangeul letters.


(K3) Korean String 3:  ( 18 hangul syllables )
      U+C804 U+AD6D U+C2E4 U+C9C1 U+B178 U+C219 U+C790 U+B300
      U+CC45 U+C885 U+AD50 U+C2DC U+BBFC U+B2E8 U+CCB4 U+D611
      U+C758 U+D68C

      DUDE-02 : 62yEyxyJy92J5uFz25JzvyBx2Jzw3Az9wFw6Ayx7Fy92Nz3uA3tEz8\
                xNt44FttwJtt7E ( 68 chars )
      LDUDE   : 5szAtBtvBt7Mt2Qv4Qu7KtFt5It3MuEvAtvDyJCtuC4G4J
                ( 46 chars,  32% shorter )
      AMCW    : 62sEFmpKzeNqbGm2Ks3M6sG2aPcfNefFksKy6I96GziPfwRstM42Rwn
                ( 55 chars )
      LAMCW   : 5stAsB5tvAGhmGmgG2mGatsE5t7JGbhsDvD5tsAyIK5swJ8RwG
                ( 50 chars )


Average lenght hangeul domain:

    (K4) Korean String 4:  ( 7 hangul syllables )
      <Hynics Semiconductor in korean>
      U+D558 U+C774 U+B2C9 U+C2A4 U+BC18 U+B3C4 U+CCB4        

      DUDE-02 : 7xvItuuNzx5PzsyPz85N97Nz9zA
                ( 27 chars )
      LDUDE   : 5s3C4F5Q7PtwRtMK
                ( 16 chars,  40% shorter )
      AMCW    : 7xxIM5wGyjKxeJa2G8ePfw
                ( 22 chars )
      LAMCW   : 5s9CxH8JvE5tzMyAK
                ( 17 chars )


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Hoffman / IMC" <phoffman@imc.org>
To: <idn@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [idn] ACE37


> At 6:14 PM -0400 7/9/01, Edmon wrote:
> >the
> >capacity for CJK ideographs, which has been identified as an undeniable
> >concern through the discussion on this mailing list
> 
> The fact that a few people have expressed the concern without ever 
> giving any evidence for it is not "undeniable". So far, there has 
> been *no* evidence that a 15-character limit would restrict names 
> that would be used for a significant number of real-live, 
> actually-used host names. If you have any evidence to the contrary 
> (that is, names that would actually be used in DNS names), please say 
> so ASAP.
> 
> The concerns have all been for companies that want to register their 
> legal names. Well, the DNS will *never* allow all the companies that 
> want their legal names to do so. In the United States and throughout 
> Europe, legal company names include spaces, commas, periods, 
> apostrophes, ampersands, and so on. Those are not going to be allowed 
> in IDN names, so those companies will not be able to register their 
> legal names.
> 
> --Paul Hoffman, Director
> --Internet Mail Consortium
>