Re: [idn] UTF-8 as the long-term IDN solution

["James Seng/Personal" <James@Seng.cc>]

Pardon me, but I have to eat my own words. I do not think running a
strawpoll based on a broad statement as you proposed is useful to the
process.

It would be more appropriate when you have an draft (or point to a draft
which you support) and if there is sufficient support for that draft, a
strawpoll maybe conducted to evaluate consensus.

Strawpoll is useful tool for wg chairs to guage consensus of a draft
when the chairs is unable to determine consensus within the group. It is
not an "voting tool" for a statement. Neither is it actually neccessary
for any process so long the chairs can determine consensus.

Using it as an affirmation of a statement as you request would be
abusing the strawpoll. It is not only time-consuming, it is also a waste
of time for wg members if it is not neccessary.

ps: speaking for myself again, I can say it is not neccessary because I
have suspected there is some agreement (given the discussion of UTF-8 in
the wg) with your statement already. Nevertheless, the wg cannot proceed
based on ideas, we need drafts.

-James Seng

----- Original Message -----
From: "D. J. Bernstein" <djb@cr.yp.to>
To: <idn@ops.ietf.org>; <iesg@ietf.org>; <poised@lists.tislabs.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [idn] UTF-8 as the long-term IDN solution


> James Seng/Personal writes:
> > I requested you to point to an internet draft
>
> Your request is noted.
>
> In the meantime, please run the poll. A two-week poll will leave
enough
> time for people to get back from vacation. The agree/disagree
statement,
> as I've told you repeatedly, is as follows: ``The long-term IDN
solution
> will encode Unicode characters as UTF-8 on the wire.''
>
> I think we have consensus on this one aspect of what's going to
happen.
> If I'm right, then we can stop wasting time discussing silly
ACE-forever
> scenarios that aren't going to happen. Please stop stonewalling.
>
> > strawpoll for individual whims
>
> Excuse me? Many people have announced their support for UTF-8 as the
> long-term solution. Only a few people have objected. When you stalled
by
> saying ``I would like to hear some support on this before we run this
> poll,'' you immediately saw some public messages of support. For
> example, here's what Bruce Thomson said:
>
>    It is likely that we have consensus on this point, and it would be
>    well worth the effort of a straw poll to establish this, so we can
>    move on.
>
> How you can call this an ``individual whim'' is beyond me.
>
> ---Dan
>