Re: [idn] Traditional-simplified, yet again

["xiaodong lee" <lee@whale.cnnic.net.cn>]

Dear Patrik:

Everyone is tired in IDN, you and all. We do not want to make this 
in the truth. We brought up such problem, but it is a difficult problem 
to be solved based on so-called principles said by someone of IDN.
So we must prompt new solution to solve the big problem for Chinese
people again and again, which is not our aspiration. Who want to do that?
not you, and not us too.

You said some authorities on Chinese scripts think it is a complex problem,
I think so, CNNIC people and all Chinese people think it is not easy to solve 
too.
To do TS/SC in context is a difficult problem, it should not be solved in DNS.
but any difficult problem could be reduced in some case, and based on some
priciples. DNS is identifier, so we solve part of TS/SC problem in DNS, which 
will solve most of the TS/SC problem.
I don't know how you explain such problem for those authorities, I still think there
are some misunderstanding in such problem, we have explain the special 
problem of TS/SC for our chinese scripts expert which is author of the RFC about 
Chinese character, he agree with us too. we must differ this conversion problem 
from other TS/SC conversion, which I have explain in my draft, and will be explain 
again in our new draft that will be submitted soon after.

So I think you might read our draft carefully and understand our question.
maybe I cannot explain it in my draft for you for my poor English, but I do want
to discuss this with you  in detail.

let's be more patient on such problem and more progress for IDN too. OK?

Xiaodong Lee



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrik Fältström" <paf@cisco.com>
To: "ben" <ben@cc-www.com>; <idn@ops.ietf.org>; "Paul Hoffman / IMC" <phoffman@imc.org>
Cc: <jet-member@nic.ad.jp>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [idn] Traditional-simplified, yet again


> --On 01-10-29 21.56 -0500 ben <ben@cc-www.com> wrote:
> 
> > How is it
> > possible for people to delay the progress of the IETF by simply
> > posting up messages and writing drafts?
> 
> By
> 
> (a) Talking about an important issue
> (b) People tell the author what part of that issue can be solved
>     in the DNS, and how, and point to other solutions for
>     the other part(s) of the issue
> (c) Talking about the important issue again, with no changes
> (d) People tell the author again that things have to be changed
>     because the issue can not be solved in DNS
> (e) Go to (c)
> 
> Myself, I have with the CNNIC people now passed point (e) four(!) times,
> and I start to get tired on this. The proposals from CNNIC have not changed
> at all since (a), and conversations have occurred on the IDN mailing list,
> in private conversations (one is going on at the moment) and in face to
> face meetings.
> 
> Further, at second pass of (e), myself and others talked with the
> authorities on Chinese scripts we know to verify that we were not stupid or
> misunderstood something. _ALL_ of these said that it was the CNNIC people
> which had not understood the complexity of the problem. Further, the
> Unicode Consortium have already been through the SC/TC problem once, and to
> explicitly state this fact, the Unicode Consortium explicitly sent a liason
> statement to the IETF stating this fact.
> 
> When all of these things was presented to the CNNIC people, the rough
> consensus in the wg on what to do, the information from external sources,
> and the liason statement from Unicode Consortium, the response is:
> 
> - The wg don't understand the problem
> - The external sources don't understand the problem
> - Unicode Consortium don't work on these issues
> - ISO have nothing to do with Chinese Characters
> 
> And we go back to (c) again from (e).
> 
> Sorry, but this is absolutely NOTHING but a delaying process from ignorant
> people.
> 
> Note that I am nowhere above saying that SC/TC is a problem. Just like
> other equality (define the word equality whatever way you want) when you
> use more than one script -- and in some cases even with one.
> 
> I am as you can see extremely tired on this wg not making process just
> because one group of people is blocking the discussions.
> 
> This wg is not making any progress.
> 
> Absolutely NOTHING has been changed in the proposals which are on the table
> the last couple of months, and as in all processes, we _could_ have been
> able to discuss things which we still have to polish here and there. For
> example, the part of the SC/TC issues which have to do with mappings from
> local charsets to Unicode, use of Unicode in other protocol elements than
> domain names etc.
> 
> So, at the moment it is CNNIC which effectively see that the world can not
> use Chinese Characters in the DNS.
> 
>      paf
> 
>