Re: [idn] reordering strawpoll

["Soobok Lee" <lsb@postel.co.kr>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DougEwell2@cs.com>
To: <idn@ops.ietf.org>
Cc: <lsb@postel.co.kr>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [idn] reordering strawpoll


> In a message dated 2001-11-12 14:41:29 Pacific Standard Time, 
> lsb@postel.co.kr writes:
> 
> >  If you encode each Hangul syllabic in 3 jamos in utf8,
> >  it need 3 octets * 3 = 9 octets, while 3 basic latin letter need 3 octets 
> in utf8.
> >  3 times more space!  if there were any real "compaction" on hangul
> >  syllable code points, that may be just the bare minimum.
> 
> But one paragraph earlier, Soobok stated that each hangul character is 
> roughly equivalent to (i.e. carries roughly as much information as) 2.2 to 
> 2.7 Latin letters.  So the 9 octets of UTF-8 actually encode the equivalent 
> of 6.6 to 8.1 Latin letters, which means Hangul encoding is 10% to 27% less 
> efficient than Latin encoding.  Representing it as two-thirds (67%) less 
> efficient is obviously misleading.  Such claims only detract attention away 
> from any merit the reordering plan may have.

my analogy cited above was for *UTF8*.
The another paragraph enclosed below is for *ACE* with/without REORDERING.
You may have mixed up my two separate arguments.
Sorry for my mispresentation of myself if my sentence make confusions. 
I may be not skilled enough in english. So be careful in reading my postings. :-)

Soobok Lee

> 
> >  From What i get from reorering experiments, It became clear that 
> >  long han/hangul code points sequence of length N can be represented 
> >  by 2.0~2.2 * N  latin letters. Without reordering, it would be 3.0~3.1.
> >  33% improvement is possible! Why should we go without reordering
> >  which merely require simple mapping tables with so many benefits?
> 
> James Seng has stated repeatedly that there is no need to reiterate, yet 
> again, the supposed benefits of reordering.  Every proposal, including this 
> one, has both advantages and disadvantages which must be weighed against each 
> other.
> 
> -Doug Ewell
>  Fullerton, California
>