Re: [idn] Chinese Domain Name Consortium (CDNC) Declaration

[hoho <hoho@iis.sinica.edu.tw>]

Paul Hoffman / IMC ¼g¤J¡G

> >we have no way to depend on the courtesy of internationalized
> >companies
> >to make registration policies being friendly to language communities
> >including Chinese
>
> Correct.
>
> >who will be most seriously damaged by the decision of the WG.

>
> You have never given any justification for that assumption. In fact,
> later in your message you show that there are solutions to the
> problem.

No! This is misleading. Please refer to later part of this message.

> >  It would be
> >a pity
> >if we could not prevent greedy business from dumping defective domain
> >name products
> >into Chinese community.
>
> Then you should work to prevent it for your community. The IETF has
> absolutely no control over the products that use the standards we
> produce. Everyone knows that.

I have to reiterate, this situation comes from IDN protocol because it
adopts Unicode. Because the IDN protocol does not have the capability
to handle character model of Han characters in a proper way as it does
for some other languages, thus it is an incomplete solution. The
negative
side-effects on Chinese Internet community comes from this
incompleteness.

> >  We definitely are positive for your efforts in
> >bring up a solution
> >that solves DN problem for many languages. But, please do not force the
> >Chinese
> >community to be the victim of the side-effect.
>
> The IETF could not force such a thing, and obviously does not want to do so.

Are you saying that IETF does not care if a WG is providing an
incomplete 
solution to the Internet community?

> >  > Of course, CDNC members would like to maximize their
> >>  financial gain in registration, but the concern of the IETF is always
> >>  towards helping users. There is a huge different between "cannot be
> >>  solved" and "it will cost a small number of organizations a lot of
> >>  money".
> >
> >This is also interesting. As far as I know, TWNIC has their social
> >responsibily
> >in our country. There major concern for TWNIC to work with IDN WG is
> >consumer
> >protection. The reason why they work on TC/SC, is that we all aware the
> >lack
> >of an international standard on Han variants which we could use to
> >convince the
> >WG to pay attention.

You didn't answer the question. Who do you call in specific is trying to
maximize their financial gain? What is your evidence before making
these interesting comments?

>
> That work, which was done by CNNIC starting a year ago, was
> successful. The WG now understands the scope of the problem. We also
> understand what it would take to solve the problem in the IDN
> standards or in a registration solution. (I don't consider the spam
> and technically misleading messages that TWNIC has been sending for
> the last two weeks to be constructive work on TC/SC.)

Those messages are not sent by TWNIC.  James replied to each of
the protest emails to confirm the existence and willingness of the
senders,
didn't he? Do not accuse people for something they did not do. Do you
intend to mislead the WG to wrong conclusions? I believe this is a
mistake.

>
>
> >  Thus TC/SC becomes the best hope because it's
> >something
> >exists for more than 50 years. If the working group could adopt it, then
> >at least this is
> >something for all registries to restrict their name space a little bit
> >and not too make
> >too much trouble to Chinese community.
>
> We fully agree here. However, in order for the WG to adopt it, we
> need an Internet Draft that contains a protocol that can be used in
> the IETF. So far, no such Internet Draft has appeared, even after
> lots of strong efforts of CNNIC. Further, in recent private
> conversations, TWNIC has told people in the IETF that they don't
> believe such a draft is possible. So you are asking the WG to adopt
> something that you believe it cannot.

But, isn't it one of the functions of stringprep? So, it sounds like you
are admitting that stringprep is incomplete?

> --Paul Hoffman, Director
> --Internet Mail Consortium

Jan-Ming Ho, PhD
Research Fellow and Deputy Director
Institute of Information Science
Academia Sinica