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[idn] protest mail summary
Sorry for been late in this:
A total of 353 "protest" mails have been recieved, including those that
is posted to the working group.
The protest mails comes in two standard format, MAIL1 and MAIL2 (See
attached) and the break down of the mails is as below.
All of them have been auto-responded with a standard reply (see
attached) to informed them of
1. Their mails have been pooled and will summaried on 11th Feb
2. Internet Standard Process RFC 2026
3. Invitation to join the working group and to provide their
technical arguments on the last call
Two private response have been recieved after the autoreply message have
been send out, one that say "Thanks for the reply. I just want to make
things better." and the other that say "I'll think about it".
Other than these two responses, no further messages have been recieved.
-James Seng
Email MAIL1 MAIL2
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Subject: PROTEST! RESCUE CHINESE DOMAIN NAMES.
PROTEST! RESCUE CHINESE DOMAIN NAMES.
Many Han character variants, also known as equivalent Chinese =
characters, exists in Unicode. A Chinese domain name thus usually has =
many different Unicode representations. As Unicode evolves, more CJK Han =
characters are added to Unicode. It also increases the number of =
variants of a character and the number of characters with variants, and =
thus the number of Unicode representations per Chinese domain name. =20
Though it meets the needs for internationalized domain name of those =
people who uses phonetic characters. However, a Chinese domain name =
service based on IDN WG technology is defective.
We urge the working group to seriously take these cultural differences =
into account. Do not finalize IDN documents without minimizing their =
negative impacts against Chinese domain names.
DO NOT DAMAGE INTERNET COMUNITY IN CHINA AND TAIWAN!
<Signature>
Subject: Please do not pass an IDN document which you know will cause
conflicts and chaos
I've recently come to know that IETF is about to release
drafts on IDN standards, and to my regret, I found that
the document does not solve problems for Chinese domain
names. and this defect in your drafts will result conflicts
and chaos for internet users of Han characters, namely
Chinese, Korean and Japanese, and the effect is international
because users of these languages are all over the world.
It is important to know that while a certain character can
have different appearance in Simplified Chinese and Traditional
Chinese Character forms even though they are actually same words
with the same meaning; at the same time, a certain character
which might look exactly the same, but in fact are two different
words with different meaning when applied to different languages
such as Chinese and Japanese.
I believe that IETF bears great responsible in setting standards
which will bring order to the internet world, and any document
which might cause disorder, should be carefully reconsidered
before release.Therefore, before IETF can resolve this problem
and identify one mechanism which can differentiate these delicate
language difference, IETF should not pass the document which
would apply Unicode for IDN resolution, because this irresponsible
decision is going to cause conflicts and chaos in DN registration
policy and DRP worldwide.
<Signature>
First, thank you for your mail.
Please note that we have not let your mail go to the idn-wg
given other similar mails have been send to the group.
Instead, we will put your mail into a pool, and summaries them
to the idn-wg on 11th Feb 2002.
RFC2026 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2026.txt) document the
IETF Standard Process. It also specify the appropriate action
one could take to appeal. However, sending protest mail to stop
the last call is not one of possible process.
Please note that WG Last Call is for fine-tuning the document
we are going to move forward. Protest to stop the last call will
be noted but not useful to the last call itself.
Instead, if you have read the drafts and have modifications you
wish to be made, then please bring them to the working group with
your technical arguments.
Please also review the discussion we have for the 2+ years of
archives on http://www.imc.org/idn/mail-archive/mail12.html
before you make your comments to avoid repeat discussion on
topics which already been concluded.
We welcome you to join our wg which you can do so by sending
an email to majordomo\@ops.ietf.org with the word "subscribe idn".
FYI, IDN Working Group Last Call will conclude on 11th Feb 2002.
-James Seng