Fw: [Solutions] Document Process Improvement WG

["Spencer Dawkins" <spencer@mcsr-labs.org>]

Harald suggested that this might be coach material - just in case there's a
single person on ietf-quality that's not on solutions...

Spencer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: "Spencer Dawkins" <spencer@mcsr-labs.org>; <solutions@alvestrand.no>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Solutions] Document Process Improvement WG


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> --On onsdag, juni 18, 2003 20:59:40 -0500 Spencer Dawkins
> <spencer@mcsr-labs.org> wrote:
>
> > OK, not sure if this is the right place to start a conversation (is
> > Solutions a general place for grass-roots efforts to form?), but - I'm
> > thinking about some mechanical problems with documents, none of which
are
> > earth-shaking, but certainly don't make it any EASIER to figure out
what's
> > going on around here.
>
> seems like it could be input to the COACH BOF....?
> agenda is http://www.ietf.org/ietf/03jul/coach.txt - but it can be
> changed....
>
> > Things we've talked about on the Problem Statement
> > mailing list include:
> >
> > - Figuring out what the current state of a finished specification is
> > (after all the obsoletes, updates, applicability statements, advice to
> > developers, etc.)
> >
> > - Tracking changes between revisions (yeah, I know, everyone stores
> > multiple versions of their favorite drafts and runs some flavor of
wdiff,
> > that's a reasonable expectation for newcomers...)
> >
> > - Referring to "the latest draft" in URLs (I was laughing with Dave
> > Crocker tonight because SIR-00 has already been deleted from the
> > repository - no way for Dave to point to "the latest version" in the SIR
> > home page. Great, huh? This is a problem W3C solved a while ago ("Cool
> > URLs Don't Change")...)
>
> and Internet-Drafts are not an archival series, and other great myths of
> the Internet?
> most WGs with active drafts seem to solve this by storing "the latest
> draft" on their own site, often with updates that haven't been made public
> yet, creating its own set of problems....
>
> > Is there any interest in a BoF/Bar BoF on this topic in Vienna? Or have
we
> > already moved past this? It doesn't seem to be exactly what Margaret was
> > asking about when she started this thread (hers was more
> > producer-oriented, mine is more consumer-oriented) - is it related?
>
> it's a problem, it impacts quality of work, we should talk about it!
>