RE: MIB EDU training in Montreal

["Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" <bwijnen@lucent.com>]

Thanks David.
DO you have any slides/materials for the additional
material you want covered/extended?

Bert

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David T. Perkins [mailto:dperkins@dsperkins.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 19:46
> To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> Cc: j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de; mreview@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: RE: MIB EDU training in Montreal
> 
> 
> HI,
> 
> First, I may not be present on Sunday of the IETF meeting.
> If I was definitely going to be present, I would commit
> to help out.
> 
> On the document...
> There are many separate isssue that are covered by the document
> and include:
>  1) a little background on SNMP and management info
>  2) guidance for when and why development of MIB documents
>     should occur in a WG
>  3) guidance on the scope of the content of a MIB module
>  4) the process and tools for writting MIB modules and the
>     I-Ds that contain them
> 
> Here are my suggestions:
> 1) I'd include just a little more background on SNMP and
>    management information. This is needed because of the
>    constraints of the protocol have a major affect on the
>    design of the MIB module definitions. Also, since there
>    are many different approaches to management, each with
>    different terminologies, it would be good to define
>    the key terms to help reduce confusion.
> 2) On the "when and why", the key points are:
>    a) Until you have deployment experience, it is difficult
>       to predict with great accuracy what management
>       information is needed to efficiently manage the technology.
>       Thus, the WG should try to get early prototype developments
>       implemented to provide feedback.
>    b) What management information is needed may affect the
>       protocol development, and thus, definition of the
>       management information must start before the protcol
>       work is completed. However, there is no need to
>       start definition of management information until
>       work on the managed protocol is well under way.
> 3) On the scope, this goes back to time/cost tradeoffs.
>    Monitoring of status and statistics is a must, and
>    providing notifications to reduce the latency and
>    to increase the scaling are desirable. Actions and
>    configuration is typically a large increase in
>    time and development. 
> 4) I hope that we can strongly encourage use of XML and
>    a standard XML template for the MIB document.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards,
> /david t. perkins
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 17 May 2006, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
> > Thanks for the input from Juergen, Dan and DbH.
> > Other pls chime in if possible. 
> > I am willing to do an update of the slides that takes input
> > into consideration. But I need that input rather sooner than later,
> > becuase the 3 weeks prior to the IETF meeting I will be on vacation.
> > 
> > Bert
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 08:13
> > > To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> > > Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); mreview@ops.ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: MIB EDU training in Montreal
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 06:35:44AM +0200, Wijnen, Bert 
> (Bert) wrote:
> > > 
> > > > OK, My material that I have is the slides that I presented to
> > > > the IETF WG chairs training session at IETF60.
> > > 
> > > I think this is a very good start.
> > > 
> > > I believe it is important to add some slides which point 
> out that it
> > > is very helpful to have an information model which 
> explains how things
> > > are related before writing MIB modules. Perhaps it helps 
> to show some
> > > examples to illustrate the point.
> > > 
> > > A simple to understand example perhaps is the Printer-MIB 
> (RFC 3805)
> > > since everybody knows what a printer is. Figure 2 in RFC 
> 3805 defines
> > > a conceptual block diagram for a printer and the MIB tables are
> > > organized according to this block diagram.
> > > 
> > > /js
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Juergen Schoenwaelder		    International 
> University Bremen
> > > <http://www.eecs.iu-bremen.de/>	    P.O. Box 750 561, 
> > > 28725 Bremen, Germany
> > > 
> > 
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