RE: 8.1) <get-all>

["Tim Stoddard" <tstoddar@utstar.com>]

Randy,

Thanks for your comments.

All,

I want to re-emphasize that I believe there is growing concensus (I never
said majority) that understands and does not want to be constrained by this
false dependency (get-config running). I know that we addressed this at the
interim, but I don't necessarily think that coverage results in a decision
and this issue did not get the play it deserved at Minneapolis. Please add
this to the agenda if possible, if not then I will plan to raise it in the
any other issues slot of the hot issues list.

thanks,

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org]On
Behalf Of Randy Presuhn
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:26 PM
To: netconf@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Re: 8.1) <get-all>


Hi -

> From: "Andy Bierman" <abierman@cisco.com>
> To: <tstoddar@utstar.com>
> Cc: "'Chen, Weijing'" <Weijing_Chen@labs.sbc.com>; <netconf@ops.ietf.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:03 PM
> Subject: RE: 8.1) <get-all>
...
> Because the documentation would either be vague or full of
> all kinds of special case sections, and we have to explain
> why most of the protocol operations don't make sense on
> most of the targets.
...

This kind of asymmetry is sometimes a sign that a problem
hasn't been factored correctly.  I think Ed Roskos' comment
is right on.  If you consider the grammatical structure of the
sentence "Get the running configuration" it's clear that "running"
serves to qualify "configuration", not "get".  If we try to push those
semantics into the verbs, we'll end up with strange asymmetries
and a system that will be unnaturally difficult to understand.

Randy



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