Re: OPS-NM Interim Meeting

["Robert Moore" <remoore@us.ibm.com>]

I agree with Jon.  If we want to hear ourselves talk,
we can always come to an IETF meeting.  Or is the
problem that the operators are also tired of hearing
*themselves* talk, and so have asked Bert and Randy to
set up the meeting so that they can get updates from us?
Regardless, the value of this meeting for me lies in the
opportunity to hear from operators, not in the
opportunity for IETFers to present to them.

Regards,
Bob

Bob Moore
Advanced Design and Technology
Application Integration Middleware Division
IBM Software Group
+1-919-254-4436
remoore@us.ibm.com



Jon Saperia <saperia@jdscons.com>@ops.ietf.org on 04/19/2001 08:49:35 AM

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Subject:  OPS-NM Interim Meeting




To: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" <bwijnen@lucent.com>, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
cc: ops-area <ops-area@ops.ietf.org>
Subject: Re: OPS-NM Interim Meeting
From: Jon Saperia <saperia@jdscons.com>
In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:26:09 +0200.

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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:29:08 -0400
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I have a strong preference to have the agenda much more heavily weighted
in favor of operator input rather than a tutorial presentation on all
the different ways the IETF is thinking about the issues. A follow-on
meeting that you propose could then respond to requirements.

As an in between approach how about topics like fault management, or
processing alerts, etc. where the Ops folks and the IETF folks speak
about different topics that matter. What about new demands on these ISPs
and what that means for operations and management?

/jon

P.S. - I will be there.
> Prelimenary Agenda
> ------------------
>
>   - Agenda bashing and intro
>
>   - From SNMP people
>     - How can SNMP and MIBs help manage your network
>     - New developments SNMPCONF and EOS
>
>   - Operator experience with SNMP
>     - how it has been and is being used
>     - issues with SNMP
>     - area it does not help with
>
>   - From COPS people
>     - how COPS and PIBs can help manage your network
>
>   - Operator experience with COPS (if any)
>
>   - From POLICY people
>     - how policy framework and tools will help manage your network
>
>   - Operator experience with POLICY (if any)
>
>   - Operator requirements
>     - what are the real hot issues to be solved this year
>     - what are the constraints within which the tools have to work
>
>   - Next steps
>
>   - Wrapup/Summary
>
>

Thanks,
/jon
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Jon Saperia              saperia@jdscons.com
                    Phone: 617-744-1079
                    Fax:   617-249-0874
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