Re: I-D ACTION:draft-farrel-rtg-manageability-requirements-00.txt

[Alex Zinin <zinin@psg.com>]

Andy,

Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 11:37:03 AM, Andy Bierman wrote:
> At 08:17 AM 11/7/2004, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
>>[not sure if authors/and alex are on ops-area list, so I cc: them]
>>
>>It is an interesting read.

> This is more than interesting -- it is fundamental to the
> success of network management standardization in the IETF.

I have to admit that while I see the potential value in this, I'm less
enthusiastic about it. My main concern is how this will affect the role of the
IETF and the level of frustration with it (which is already considerably high)
in the routing industry. The problem is not with MIBs or configurable params,
which we already do today, but with less tangible things like affect on network
operations. The IETF doesn't operate the networks, so quite often the answer
is--implement, deploy, get the bruises, come back and see what needs to be
changed or tossed away. Of course, there are exceptions where the answer is
obvious, but I don't think it's the rule..

Alex

> All documents should have a Management Considerations section.
> IMO, it does not have to be as complete as this document
> suggests.  Specifically, this section (or another) should
> document which parameters MUST/SHOULD/MAY be configurable,
> but a complete MIB (or other interface) definition should
> not be required.  This can be developed in a separate document
> and a separate work effort.

> Andy


>>I also know that various people think that we have too many "mandatory"
>>sections already. So how does that jive? Has the RTG community reacted 
>>already? In principle I think it would be good to have sections on
>>"Considerations for managebility".
>>
>>I then wonder, why would this just apply to the docs from the RTG area?
>>
>>W.r.t. sect 2.2, I am not sure I understand the differene between
>>the first 2 bullets.
>>
>>W.r.t. sect 3.x, you may want to reference RFC3444.
>>
>>Bert
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 20:12
>>> To: Ops-Area (E-mail)
>>> Subject: FW: I-D
>>> ACTION:draft-farrel-rtg-manageability-requirements-00.txt
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  believe that this Internet-Draft is worth being read and 
>>> commented by the OPS area. 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-farrel-rtg-manageability-requirements-00.txt
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>>> 
>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line 
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>>> 
>>>       Title           : Requirements for Manageability 
>>> Sections in Routing
>>>                         Area Drafts
>>>       Author(s)       : A. Farrel, et al.
>>>       Filename        : 
>>> draft-farrel-rtg-manageability-requirements-00.txt
>>>       Pages           : 6
>>>       Date            : 2004-10-12
>>>       
>>> It has often been the case that manageability considerations have
>>>    been retrofitted to protocols. This is sub-optimal.
>>> 
>>>    Similarly, new protocols or protocol extensions are frequently
>>>    designed without due consideration of manageability requirements.
>>> 
>>>    This document specifies the requirement for all new Routing Area
>>>    Internet-Drafts to include an "Manageability 
>>> Considerations" section,
>>>    and gives guidance on what that section should contain.
>>> 
>>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-farrel-rtg-manageabi
>>> lity-requirements-00.txt
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