RE: Consensus Call on RADEXT WG re-charter

["Glen Zorn" <glenzorn@comcast.net>]

Stefan Winter <mailto:stefan.winter@restena.lu> scribbled on Tuesday,
April 15, 2008 1:01 PM:

> Hi,
> 
>> First, the WG would have to _define_ RADIUS "the application
>> protocol", since it doesn't exist w/o reference to the underlying
>> transport.  Maybe you have your own reasons for not wanting to change
>> the name, but I do wish that this charade of claiming "backward
>> compatibility" would come to an end.  Even the creators of RADSEC
>> have conceded that it's not RADIUS, why can't you?
> 
> Well, in case you are referring to me in IETF-71, I admitted
> that there are non-trivial operational differences between the
> two transports, and that the characteristics of a stateful
> transport need to taken into account properly.
> That makes it *different from RADIUS over UDP*, but not
> substantially different from RADIUS *at all*. 

OK, one more time: you are making a distinction that doesn't exist. 

> Even you
> conceded to saying that the innermost PDU still remains as it
> is, so if nothing else, there is a core of RADIUS embedded.

No, there is something that has yet to be defined embedded because
RADIUS simply doesn't exist over a non-UDP transport.

> And I would be surprised if you don't see yourself that
> backwards compatibility is considerably easier if this PDU can
> be repackaged into a new transport without changing it (except
> the changes that any RADIUS apcket undergoes anyway on a
> RADIUS proxy, re-signing with its own shared secret).
> 
> In general, I see this discussion "is it different or not?" as
> rather pointless in the real world. Whatever one's perceived
> opinion or perceived outcome is, it doesn't change anything in the
> protocol itself. 
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Stefan Winter
> 
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