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RE: [RRG] Re: Practical Proposals vs. endless theoretical discussions
Hello Ran
I saw the presentation of ILNP in the last meeting and I have seen your
draft as well. It would be really good to have an analysis of ILNP in
the RRG wiki similar to what there is for LISP, Six/one, Ivip, etc just
so see and document how well ILNP solves the routing scalability issue.
Multihoming, mobility and IP security is discussed in the ILNP draft,
but routing scalability is not elaborated too much.
Best regards
Hannu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rrg@psg.com [mailto:owner-rrg@psg.com] On Behalf
>Of ext RJ Atkinson
>Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 16:17
>To: IRTF Routing RG
>Subject: [RRG] Re: Practical Proposals vs. endless theoretical
>discussions
>
>
>Earlier, Robin Whittle said:
>% Most talk is of clean-slate designs, flat routing, ILNP etc.
>% which have nothing to do with our need to have something %
>attractive to end-users in the next 4 to 8 years to solve %
>the scaling problem in today's IPv4 Internet.
>
>Robin,
>
> From the quoted text above, and other even less correct
>text later in your recent note, I can only believe that you
>haven't bothered to read the I-Ds about ILNP and haven't
>reviewed the presentation made (by my colleague) at Routing RG
>in Dublin. Similarly, I can only believe you haven't bothered
>to do a literature search and read the sundry published
>research papers on the topic. All of these are disappointing
>in the context of an IRTF Research Group.
>
> As near as I can tell, every statement you have made about
>ILNP is wrong.
>
> You would be so much more credible in your quite numerous
>notes to the RG list if you would actually would read and
>study topics before you make bold and incorrect assertions about them.
>A large volume of notes is not an effective substitute for a
>very few, short, well-written, and technically correct notes.
>
> Perhaps I am guilty for not having engaged in as much
>"advocacy" as you have been doing, but it seems at best
>negligent on your part to make the statement quoted above.
>
> Separately, it is utterly unrealistic to believe that the
>deployed IPv4 Internet is going to accept *any* major changes
>at this point. I spend a great deal of my time talking with
>users on various continents of the globe. They have a very
>consistent message that major changes to their IPv4
>deployments (e.g. site border router reconfigurations to
>enable any new routing protocol or to enable any sort of new
>tunnelling) are not going to happen. The notion of "fixing
>IPv4", frankly, is indeed a lost cause and we would better
>serve the Internet by trying to ensure that IPv6 deployments
>can move to some better architecture, whatever that might turn
>out to be.
>
> Finally, for some long while now it has seemed to me that
>you confuse the concept of an "IRTF Research Group" (which
>this is) with an "IETF Working Group" (which this is not).
>
> Research Groups are supposed to be deliberate, careful,
>thorough, and are supposed to look at clean-slate architectures
>in the course of their *research*. Theoretical discussions
>are explicitly within scope for any IRTF Research Group.
>
> By contrast, IETF WGs are developing engineering
>specifications to be considered for standardisation. Both
>roles are important, but those two roles are very very
>different. It seems to me that your frustration is primarily
>that this RG is not a WG. To the extent that is correct, the
>issue is with one's incorrect expectations, and is not a
>legitimate issue with the operation or behaviour of the RG.
>
>Yours,
>
>Ran Atkinson
>rja@extremenetworks.com
>
>
>
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