RE: transition architecture discussion

["Jeroen Massar" <jeroen@unfix.org>]

Ronald van der Pol wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 17:22:19 +0200, Pekka Savola wrote:
> 
> > .. it is by far not perfect (I didn't have any time to work 
> on it except
> > the last night), and includes personal opinions (of course 
> :-), but could
> > be usable as something concrete to build discussion on, if needed.
> 
> Thanks for starting this discussion.
> 
> I think we also need to finish the scenario drafts soon (hint, hint).
> 
> It would also be useful to find out why people are not deploying/
> using/requesting IPv6.

I think the most important answer to the 'why' is simply the big
chicken and egg problem:
 - Why should an client-access provider get IPv6 when his/her/it's/...
   customers don't want (but probably do need it because of NAT).
 - Why should a hoster do IPv6 when there are no clients to use it.
 - Why should a application programmer do IPv6 when there is no
   infrastructure to use it's potential?

Combining the above with the imho bad excuse of 'bad economy' both
the hoster and the access provider won't do a thing in the right
direction.

Btw.. the application programmer has it the easiest of all, they "only"
have to modify a couple of lines of code to make their product mostly
IPv6 aware except for dialog boxes, logging, acl's and some odd
protocols.

Currently there is a nice thread (wonder o wonder) on slashdot:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/09/2038223

"IPv6 Application Competition - win $10,000"

Maybe that will take care of the third issue.
Odd part is that slashdot.org doesn't do IPv6 at all even though they
did run a couple of articles. Maybe tools like http://ipv6gate.sixxs.net
will
resolve that at least all sites are available over IPv6...

Seeing the recent jumps in TLA allocations some ISP's are on
the right way, now we only need to convince the hosters one way or
another.
Having a google that does IPv6, both the www.google.com and
localisations
and the bot would be a great leap forward.

For the rest we just need to make ISP's & hosters & programmers more
IPv6 aware...

Greets,
 Jeroen