RE: Defintion of Automatic tunnels

["Bound, Jim" <jim.bound@hp.com>]

Erik,

The market will decide.  Also there is ISATAP and DSTM and being
deployed now.  I am working with networks that use them in Pilots now.
Market it not going to wait for IETF brainstorming anymore.  Vendors who
wait will loose opportunity to influence pilots that will define next
step production and be part of that revenue stream.  You need to add
DSTM and ISATAP to this fray not just Teredo.  

Also the options to tunnel on products will be done based on market
input to the product suppliers. Our job here is to define what options
we will work on in the IETF others will be worked on out of the IETF or
move to Experimental in the IETF.

/jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:Erik.Nordmark@sun.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:06 AM
> To: Brian E Carpenter
> Cc: Erik Nordmark; Christian Huitema; v6ops@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Defintion of Automatic tunnels
> 
> 
> > This is an interesting discussion of the issues (well, it 
> was, but I 
> > deleted it to save bits). But I'm not sure that the WG has to, or 
> > should, make a choice. The network is already telling us that both 
> > tunnel brokers and 6to4 attract users. I guess the jury is 
> still out 
> > on Teredo. But I don't think it's for us to make a philosophical 
> > decision here. We will need to decide whether to adopt Teredo, but 
> > that should drop out of the scenario analysis as a 
> pragmatic decision.
> 
> Brian,
> 
> You seem to be making a "the market will decide" argument 
> with respect to 6to4 and tunnel brokers. Is that correct?
> 
> I find it disconcerting that you didn't want to contribute to 
> the understanding of the issues (with apply to all tunneling 
> approaches - 6to4, teredo, tunnel
> brokers) and instead deleted the email to "save bits". That 
> doesn't bode well for making forward progress.
> 
> Sigh
>   Erik
> 
> 
>