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RE: POLL: Consensus for moving forward with Teredo?
Hello,
(chair hat off)
I support option a) for the reasons provided already basically by other
people.
However, my main point is that teredo is a mechanism that has been there
for quite some time and has shown some stability and running code.
I also agree with Brian that maybe v6ops is not the right place to do
the actual protocol work, but a separate WG would be a better fit.
I also agree that there are other mechanisms already on the table that
would merit the same treatment.
Cheers,
Jonne.
(chair hat on)
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 13:17, ext wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I vote for a).
>
> In my opinion, useful mechanisms (that have already been widely implemented) must get an RFC status. It is not a good thing from the IETF point of view, if widely deployed and used mechanisms can not be published as an RFC.
>
> As many people have communicated already, there are also other mechanisms needing a frozen specification, such as ISATAP.
>
> So, let's start specification work (instead of continuing analysis and creating issues forvever).
>
> -Juha W.-
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org]On
> Behalf Of ext Brian E Carpenter
> Sent: 02 May, 2004 10:59
> To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: Re: POLL: Consensus for moving forward with Teredo?
>
> I can't see any grounds not to proceed with Teredo, though I would
> suggest considering a dedicated, very focussed WG, to get it done
> more quickly and without de-focussing this WG. (But only if the
> IESG is willing to move quickly.) Hence a).
>
> I don't think we should complicate life by mixing this with the
> issue of automatic tunnel broker discovery. That is new thinking
> brought in by Jordi's draft, and let's keep it separate.
>
> Brian
>
> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> > Jim,
> >
> > I fully agree with this view, and moreover, if we allow the auto-discovery of the TB, then even more clearly, the TB will be applicable to unman and other scenarios.
> >
> > I wonder if Teredo could take advantage of the auto-discovery idea (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/internet-drafts/draft-palet-v6ops-tun-auto-disc-00.txt), making sure that if required both the 6to4, TB/TS/TSP, ISATAP and the Teredo relays, can coexist automatically in the same box. This could easily simplify the deployment and be an important multiplicative factor.
> >
> > So, I will suggest a new option "a.bis)": The idea is to make a very quick move on defining a solution for the auto-discovery, and include this in a revised Teredo version (same with ISATAP, TSP, etc.).
> >
> > Note that I will not like to delay the "go forward" of a) option for a long time, but I'm convinced that if Christian and some other people related to other transition mechanism (TB/TS, may be ISATAP) that need to discover end-point work together.
> >
> > If we have inputs on the auto-discovery solution, I'm sure that a small team of "hard workers" could make it even before the next IETF. This is a small delay, but I believe the result could be worthy.
> >
> > Christian, Pekka what do you think ? (I've not read the latest versions of Teredo, so I'm not sure if what I'm saying is actually meaningful, but I understand that the server/relay need to be pre-configured, so can we make it auto-discovered ?, indeed we didn't included Teredo in our I-D, but may be an option for the next revision).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jordi
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bound, Jim" <jim.bound@hp.com>
> > To: <v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 10:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: POLL: Consensus for moving forward with Teredo?
> >
> >
> > We must work on Teredo, ISATAP, DSTM, and Tunnel Broker. All are being
> > deployed all will exist. So I vote for (a) but I think Tunnel Broker is
> > also a choice for UMAN and if asked in the market tell them try both and
> > see what you like best each have different properties. And I hope there
> > are more good and innovative transition mechanisms invented the more the
> > better. We will build many types of IPv6 networks I am sure we do not
> > have all the tools for transition done and all of the above will be used
> > and are useful for deployment.
> >
> > /jim
> >
> >
> >>-- Friday, April 30, 2004 20:32:26 +0300 Pekka Savola
> >><pekkas@netcore.fi> wrote/a ecrit:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>
> >>>(co-chair hat on)
> >>>
> >>>As identified in the scenarios analysis at IETF59 and in
> >>>draft-savola-v6ops-tunneling-01.txt, there appears to a need which
> >>>cannot be filled by another mechanism for Teredo at least
> >>
> >>in one major
> >>
> >>>Unmanaged scenario.
> >>>
> >>>Is there rough consensus to move forward with Teredo?
> >>
> >>(i.e., to adopt
> >>
> >>>it as WG document in this WG or elsewhere, for Proposed Standard.)
> >>>
> >>>The main issue raised has been to call for a more extensive
> >>
> >>analysis
> >>
> >>>for the deployment implications of native, 6to4, and
> >>
> >>Teredo. There is
> >>
> >>>already discussion of this in the Unmanaged Analysis
> >>
> >>document. There
> >>
> >>>seemed to be very little energy or interest in the WG to drive this
> >>>much further.
> >>>
> >>>The options regarrding Teredo at this stage seem to be:
> >>>
> >>> a) Go forward with Teredo, hone the deployment implications in the
> >>> unmanaged analysis in parallel (if and as appropriate),
> >>>
> >>> b) Conclude that there is no sufficiently strong need for
> >>
> >>Teredo, and
> >>
> >>> not support its advancement (for PS) at this stage, or
> >>>
> >>> c) Decide that we need to analyze the scenarios or deployment more
> >>> before being able to make a decision.
> >>>
> >>> If so, please state where you believe more analysis is needed..
> >>> and volunteer if possible :)
> >>>
> >>>If you have an opinion, please state it within a week,
> >>
> >>i.e., by next
> >>
> >>>Friday, 7th May.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks!
> >>>
> >>>(co-chair hat off)
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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