RE: [narten@us.ibm.com: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]

["James Jun" <james@towardex.com>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Iljitsch van Beijnum [mailto:iljitsch@muada.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:21 PM
> To: james@towardex.com
> Cc: ppml@arin.net; global-v6@lists.apnic.net; v6ops@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [narten@us.ibm.com: PI addressing in IPv6 advances in ARIN]
> 
> On 14-apr-2006, at 18:09, James Jun wrote:
> 
> > How about you start operating a real network and feel the pain of your
> > enterprise customers who require usability?
> 
> How about you do a "show ip bgp" and experience some pain of your own?
> 
> > IPv6 is a failure
> 
> IPv6 was created so we could continue to have an internet when we're
> out of IPv4 addresses. We're not out of IPv4 addresses yet. How can
> IPv6 be a failure at this point?
> 
> > because of
> > ongoing FUD regarding so called 'routing table explosion' that even
> > IPv4 is
> > still susceptible to,
> 
> We've managed to make a fairly big mess of IPv4 in 25 years. Yes, it
> still works but it's not pretty. IPv6 is supposed to last a lot
> longer than 25 years, so explosions of any kind are to be discouraged.

Yes, discouraging customers from multihoming and delivering
reliability--that appears to be the common message from a good portion of
IPv6-advocacy groups.  IPv6 is still IP, and not anything different than
IPv4 other than a color: more address space.  If it is all of a sudden going
to require shim6 or similar, and discourage multihoming like the way it
happens today in IPv4, it certainly does not help.

Yes I look at `sh ip bgp` everyday (or show route protocols bgp for that
matter).  The deaggregation is there, but nowhere is it at a level that I'm
going to lose sleep over it.  One would think if you want IPv6 to better
develop, let people *use* the technology as they did freely in IPv4, and
work on a more scalable forwarding lookup & routing technology instead of
restricting people's ability to become multihomed.  To say that we service
providers are simply more worried about our paycheck than the internet...
well, I beg to differ.

James