RE: new draft on IPv6 CPE router available for review

["Hemant Singh (shemant)" <shemant@cisco.com>]

Oh, there is more confusion. Cable folks refer to a CPE as a host behind
a cable modem where the host is a Windows or Mac OS PC. That is why in
our draft we specifically refer in all places to a "CPE Router".  In
other worlds, I know CPE is also a generic term where the CPE means a
DSL, cable, or FIOS modem. The modems may also have such a router
embedded inside them but the box is still a CPE. 

Our goal is to complete a document for a CPE Router that can be managed
by the Service Provider, or managed by the user, or the CPE Router may
be embedded in a broadband modem. We will see how the document evolves
after feedback. 

It is good to nail down Terminology otherwise we'll be thrashing a lot
during discussion. Why not refer to the DSL or cable modem as the modem.
Refer to the host behind the modem as a host, and the standalone
Linksys-like router in the home as the CPE Router. Any router cascaded
behind the CPE Router is, of course, just a router.

Mobile is also not a good term for the home since Mobile reeks more of
cellular Mobile. In the home, the most common term I have heard of in
the US homes in wireless and WLAN. What do you mean this document is not
discussing wireless in the CPE Router? It's not this document's business
to discuss physical layer of wireless. WLAN is just another network for
the CPE Router to forward packets to and from

Hemant

-----Original Message-----
From: EricLKlein@softhome.net [mailto:EricLKlein@softhome.net] 
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 4:47 AM
To: Mikael Abrahamsson
Cc: Shin Miyakawa; Hemant Singh (shemant); Wes Beebee (wbeebee);
v6ops@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Re: new draft on IPv6 CPE router available for review

Mikael Abrahamsson writes: 

> I never said all IPv6 speaking HOSTS need to do this. For me a CPE is 
> something that is involved in the delivery of a service, not an end 
> user host device. I see two different services, one which is for 
> connecting a single device and nothing else, and another service where

> the customer has a router and several hosts behind it. If this is 
> another definition of a CPE, then I need to change my terminology to 
> avoid confusion. Am I using the wrong terminology?
> 

It seems to me that there is a confusion in terminology that is feeding
this 
mail chain. 

Common usage has CPE being both the edge device (1)(DSL modem with or 
without built in router),  Router/Switch (2)(built in DSL, Ethernet,
WiFi, 
etc.), and the end-user device (3) (PC, Laptop, PDA, dual function
Mobile 
phone). 

This document seems to deal with 1 and 2 only while discussion is mostly
on 
3. It seems to me that we need to separate these topics to edge and
End-user 
rather than the general CPE (what happens when these are mobile like
with 
802.16e). 

We know that almost all (I am tempted to say all) PCs and laptops
support 
dual stack today, but I would love to hear about the other end-user
devices 
the so called "internet devices" from companies like Nokia. Are they
dual 
stack already? 

Eric