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Re: implications of 6to4 for v6coex



On Sep 16, 2008, at 16:05, Antonio Querubin wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, james woodyatt wrote:
The complaint I have heard is that simply not advertising the  
routes to third parties is not enough to prevent them from using  
static routes to steal relay service.
If they're afraid of that, why can't they just block access to the  
relay address via ACLs at their borders?  Most ISPs probably do some  
kind of filtering at their border anyway.  Adding one more deny rule  
isn't gonna make a big impact on performance.
Yes, the existing RFCs recommend filtering at the border gateway and  
limited routing advertisements to trusted peers.  So, why do service  
providers think they can't secure their 6to4 relay service that way?   
They must have a legitimate reason, don't you think?  Surely, they  
aren't trying to sabotage the IPv4-IPv6 transition by splitting the  
public IPv6 internet into three parts (one for native, one for 6to4  
and one for Teredo), right?
Again, it would be better if an authoritative voice recommending  
*against* the deployment of 6to4 and Teredo relays in service provider  
networks, because of concerns about limiting access to relay services  
to their subscribers only, would step in here and speak to the issue  
directly.  I've only gathered from talking with people that the  
problem with ACLs at the border routers is that a real deployment plan  
would require too many ACL entries, i.e. one for each relay, because  
relays would have to be in lots of different places around the  
interiors of their networks, and addressed accordingly.
Won't somebody from a service provider *please* step up and explain  
why they cannot and/or will not deploy 6to4 relay routers for the use  
of their subscribers as the standards track documents currently  
describe them?  The continuing silence from the operations community  
on this topic is very troubling, but I suppose it's possible everyone  
is still enjoying their copious allotment of holiday time.
It *is* September, though, isn't it?


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james woodyatt <jhw@apple.com>
member of technical staff, communications engineering