I'll dial in. Btw, I'd very much prefer not having 60K pdf attachments -- while I'm usually on a high-speed network, sometimes I have to dial up. Could you send a URL instead. I've attached a text version of that file. --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb (me) http://www.wilyhacker.com (2nd edition of "Firewalls" book)