PPVPN discussion

[Alex Zinin <zinin@psg.com>]

My thoughts on the plan for PPVP below:

1. Discuss the first approximation of L3VPN and L2VPN WG charters
   within the IESG and agree on the plan.

2. Make the staff decision:

   a) Alex, Bert, Thomas to interview Vach, Loa, Ross, and Ron

   NOTE: I am likely to end up having a conflict of interests
         wrt Vach, so I need to recuse from pushing for him
         as the L2VPN co-chair, which means someone else should
         feel strongly about him.

   b) Decide if we fire Marco and/or Rick or leave [one of] them
      in the L3VPN WG.

   c) Decide on the new chairs for the open positions.

3. A,B,T to discuss the plan below with the proposed new WG chairs.

4. A,B,T to inform the current chairs about the plan.

5. Create two mailing lists for the new WGs: l3vpn, and l2vpn

6. Alex (on behalf of the IESG) to Inform the WG about the plan of 
   splitting the WG in two and migrating the work to INT.
   Direct people to the new MLs for the discussion on the WG
   charters.

7. Discuss the new WG charters on the MLs

8. Bring the new charters to the IESG for review and approval

9. When approved--shutdown PPVPN, announce the two new WGs,
   and send an announcement message to the three MLs.

10. Shortly migrate PWE3 to INT

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Proposed message to PPVPN (item 6 above):

To: ppvpn
Cc: pwe3
Subject: IMPORTANT: Strategy for the PPVPN work in IETF

<On behalf of IESG>

Since San Francisco IETF meeting the IESG has been considering the
situation in the SUB-IP area and in the PPVPN Working Group in particular.
Such close attention to this WG was triggered by numerous concerns that
the IESG members received from the WG members about limited and very
slow progress within the WG despite the efforts of the WG chairs and its
members. The IESG also used this opportunity to consider the right IETF
area for the PPVPN work.

After much deliberation, the IESG is convinced that in order to ensure
faster progress of the PPVPN-related work, the following organizational
changes are required:

 1. Split of Layer-2 and Layer-3 VPN work in separate Working Groups.

    The IESG believes that the L2 and L3 VPN work spaces are each big
    enough to warrant a separate WG. While concentration of all VPN-related 
    work in a single forum was the right thing to do to ensure coordination 
    of efforts when the PPVPN WG was created, such concentration is causing
    efficiency problems within the WG at this moment. 

    Migration of work into two separate WGs for L2 and L3 VPN technologies
    with more specific WG charters will help to focus discussions, prevent 
    staff and meeting time overloading, and will aid faster progress of 
    corresponding technologies.

 2. Migration of the PPVPN- and PWE3-related work to the same area.

    The work happening within the PPVPN and PWE3 WGs is very related.
    The IESG believes that moving the above new WGs and PWE3 to the
    same area is a necessary requirement for faster progress in this
    area. The IESG also believes that the Internet area should host
    this work.

Based on the above considerations, the IESG is taking the following steps:

 1. Two new WGs--L2VPN and L3VPN--are being created in the Internet area.
    The discussion of the proposed charters of the new WGs will be initiated
    on the following mailing lists correspondingly:

      l2vpn@ietf.org
      l3vpn@ietf.org

 2. Once the charters of the new WGs are agreed upon and approved by the IESG,
    creation of the L2VPN and L3VPN WGs and shutdown of the PPVPN WG will be
    performed simultaneously. PPVPN WG documents will be migrated to the 
    corresponding new WGs.

 3. Within a month (????) the PWE3 WG is migrated to the INT area.


Alex