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RE: Text on AD shepherded individual/experimental documents



I believe that Thomas' text invites individuals too much to 
come directly to IESG/AD.
I think that Ted's is better, but still has that angel.
I can live with H1, And prefer H2.

Thanks,
Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand [mailto:harald@alvestrand.no]
> Sent: maandag 2 juni 2003 14:42
> To: iesg@ietf.org
> Subject: Text on AD shepherded individual/experimental documents
> 
> 
> Trying to close this off because I submit verson -03 of the 
> charter....
> 
> this is trying to get IESG consensus on the text for the last 
> paragraph of 
> section 5.2.2 of draft-iesg-charter-02.txt
> 
> My original text (H1):
> 
> 	    When an AD decides that an Informational or
>             Experimental document is of particular importance to the
>             community, the AD may also choose to put it directly
>             before the IESG. This document will then be processed in
>             the same fashion as an Informational or Experimental
>             document from a working group.
> 
> Thomas' text (TN):
> 
>     In some cases, an individual will ask an AD directly if they are
>     willing to shepherd a document through the IESG. This can happen,
>     for example, when an individual has already been discussing a
>     particular document with an AD because the topic of the document
>     naturally falls into a particular area. In such cases, the
>     document is processed in the same fashion as an Informational or
>     Experimental document from a working group.
> 
> Ted's text (TH):
> 
>  As noted in 5.2.1, any IETF participant may forward a document to
>  the IESG for consideration as a standards track document.   
> Participants
>  may also forward a document to the IESG  either with the 
> intent that they
>  become Informational or Experimental documents or may agree that they
>  become Informational or Experimental after discussion with the IESG.
>  If a participant forwards a document to the IESG under this 
> procedure,
>  one or more Area Directors must agree to take responsibility for the
>  document.
>  Once an Area Director has taken that responsibility, the  
> document will
>  then be processed in the same fashion as an Informational or 
> Experimental
>  document from a working group.
>  If no Area Director agrees to take responsibility, then the 
> document may
>  be resubmitted through the RFC Editor for publication under 
> that process.
> 
> During review of the non-wg last call on the charter, I found 
> that the 
> comment that this shouldn't be taken without the author's 
> consent was a 
> good one (I had thought that obvious). But I don't want to 
> invite the world 
> to bombard us with requests for publication rather than going 
> to the RFC 
> Editor - the *normal* path should be the RFC Editor.
> 
> I also got an earful of KRE pointing out that the charter, 
> this round, 
> should document what the IESG *does* - not what it's supposed 
> to do, not 
> even what the IESG thinks it should do when it bothers to 
> think about it.
> I don't hold totally with the argument - but it gives us a 
> reason to use 
> less than strict language, because our process has been less 
> than clear.
> 
> So I'm proposing a fourth alternative..... (H2):
> 
> 	    An AD, in consultation with the author, may choose to put an
>             individual's document directly
>             before the IESG, without waiting for the document to be
>             submitted through the RFC Editor.
>             This document will then be processed in the same fashion
>             as an Informational or Experimental
>             document from a working group.
> 
> Note that the AD has the initiative, the AD consults the 
> author, there are 
> no criteria (we've been inconsistent), and that the review is 
> the same as 
> for WG documents (presumably somewhat more strict than for 
> RFC Editor's, 
> since we're bypassing the RFC Editor).
> 
> If there are alternatives you like better than others, please 
> say so; if 
> there are alternatives you think shouldn't go forward, please say so:
> 
> <EXAMPLE>
> 
> OK: H1
> CAN LIVE WITH: TH
> NOT OK: TN, H2
> 
> Reason: ...........
> 
> </EXAMPLE>
> 
> 
> 
>