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Re: Follow up on Authorize Only issue (was RE: [Isms] ISMS session



Hi Avi,

your developers might need to get used to XML sooner or later anyway based on the excitement for Liberty Alliance nowadays. The functionality of the asserting party in SAML is very close to what a AA(A) does today.

Ciao
Hannes

Avi Lior wrote:
Hi Hannes,

When I wrote the word "assertion"  I was thinking a SAML assertion.

A word of caution though, everytime I mention XML to my AAA developers
they conspire to kill me.

XML, parsing strings etc are performance killers for a AAA server.


-----Original Message-----
From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:55 AM
To: Avi Lior
Cc: Glen Zorn (gwz); David Harrington; Eliot Lear; isms@ietf.org; radiusext@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Follow up on Authorize Only issue (was RE: [Isms] ISMS session

Hi Avi,

I like the idea of using some information to tie the authentication and the authorization process/exchange together. In fact we discussed this at the last IETF meeting when David gave his presentation.

I suggested to use an existing mechanism to accomplish this binding, namely SAML. I can elaborate a bit more about the details if someone case about it.

Ciao
Hannes

Avi Lior wrote:

I proably did not make myself clear....or maybe I did and I

am missing
something.

When the NAS sends the Access-Request Auth-Only message I

agree that
it MUST contain Message-Authenticator(80) etc...

What I meant is that it would be nice if there was a token or an assertion that came from the place that did authenticate

the user to
indicate in a cryptographic way that this user was authenticated.

The AAA server can use that token to verify that the user was authenticated by an entity that it trusts. Like a kerberose ticket.





-----Original Message-----
From: Glen Zorn (gwz) [mailto:gwz@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:47 PM
To: Avi Lior; David Harrington; Eliot Lear
Cc: isms@ietf.org; radiusext@ops.ietf.org
Subject: RE: Follow up on Authorize Only issue (was RE: [Isms] ISMS session

Avi Lior <mailto:avi@bridgewatersystems.com> supposedly scribbled:



Hi,

If I was specifying how this is done:

It would be nice if the AAA client could return some sort

of token to


the AAA server to assert that the user has been

authenticated by an
entity that it trusts. The token can be generated by the
Authentication Server.
We need this assertion to make sure we deliver the correct profile.

I disagree: the fact that the message is being sent by an authenticated client at all says that the user has been

authenticated
elsewhere. Note that safety requires the inclusion of a

MAC (either
the Message-Authenticator or preferably the Message-Authentication-Code Attribute) in the Access-Request.

Hope this helps,

~gwz

Why is it that most of the world's problems can't be solved

by simply

listening to John Coltrane? -- Henry Gabriel



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