RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-architecture-06.txt

["Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" <bwijnen@lucent.com>]

During IESG review, Thomas/Erik both have raised the
question that this doc had so many normative references
that seem to be "Work in Progress".
So I have checked and found the below.

Summary:
- Would be good to have the doc names spelled out, so that reviewers
  (and RFC-Editor) can quickly find the normative ref.
- Would be good to change [SOME-DOC-NAME] to [RFCxxxx] if an RFC is
  already published. Would be more consistent with other RFCs that
  are being referenced, and makes it easier to see which docs are
  already published
- We have some 5 docs in WGs still and it is not clear how quick
  they will come out
- We have some 4 or 5 that are in various stages of IESG review
  and seem to need work.

So it looks, that when we approve this and put it in RFCed queue,
it will probably hang in that queue for a long time. 

WG and WG chairs, what do you want to do about that?

---- status of various normative references --

Here are the WiP docs that are normative and the status as I fas as I
could determine (updates from WG chairs will be appreciated):

   [BUNDLE]        K.Kompella, Y.Rekhter and L.Berger, "Link Bundling
                   in MPLS Traffic Engineering," Work in Progress.
This is: draft-ietf-mpls-bundle-04.txt
in RFCed queue

   [CR-LDP-UNNUM]  K.Kompella, Y.Rekhter and A.Kullberg, "Signalling
                   Unnumbered Links in CR-LDP," Work in Progress.
Published as RFC3480

   [GMPLS-FUNCT]   J.P.Lang and B.Rajagopalan (Editors) et al.,
	                   "Generalized MPLS Recovery Functional
                   Specification," Work in Progress.
This is: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-recovery-functional-00.txt
Not sure where this stands in WG

   [GMPLS-G709]    D.Papadimitriou (Editor) et al., "GMPLS Signaling
                   Extensions for G.709 Optical Transport Networks
                   Control," Work in progress.
This is: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-03.txt
Not sure where this stands in WG

   [GMPLS-OVERLAY] G.Swallow et al., "GMPLS RSVP Support for the
                   Overlay Model," Work in Progress.
This is: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-overlay-01.txt
Still in WG (did not get much content discussion yet, but yet
it seems WG chairs want to do WG Last Call)

   [GMPLS-ROUTING] K.Kompella and Y.Rekhter (Editors) et al., "Routing
                   Extensions in Support of Generalized MPLS," Work in
                   Progress.
This is: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-routing-05.txt
Went through IETF Last Call.
Quite some comments. Is back in WG to address comments 
(been there for a while in fact. Wg chairs did not ye responde to
my repeated pinging on status).

   [GMPLS-SONET-SDH] E.Mannie and D.Papadimitriou (Editors) et al.,
                   "Generalized MPLS Extensions for SONET and SDH
                   Control," Work in progress.
This is: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-sonet-sdh-08.txt
Is in RFCed queue 

   [HIERARCHY]     K.Kompella and Y.Rekhter, "LSP Hierarchy with
                   Generalized MPLS TE," Work in Progress.
This is: draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-hierarchy-08.txt
Is in RFCed queue

   [LMP]           J.P.Lang (Editor) et al., "Link Management Protocol
                   (LMP)," Work in progress.
This is: draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-08.txt
Is in IESG evaluation. Has some DISCUSSes though.

   [LMP-WDM]       A.Fredette and J.P.Lang (Editors) et al., "LMP for
                   WDM Optical Line Systems (LMP-WDM)," Work in
                   progress.
This is: draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-wdm-02.txt
In: AD-Evaluation, revised ID needed

   [OSPF-TE-GMPLS] K.Kompella and Y.Rekhter (Editors), "OSPF Extensions
                   in Support of Generalized MPLS," Work in Progress.
This is: draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-gmpls-extensions-09.txt
This had serious OETF Last Call comments, to be addressed by WG/authors

   [OSPF-TE]    D.Katz, D.Yeung, and K.Kompella, "Traffic
                Engineering Extensions to OSPF", Work in Progress.
This is: draft-katz-yeung-ospf-traffic-09.txt
IESG evaluation, point raised

Thanks,
Bert