RE: ASON reqts

["Varma, Eve L (Eve)" <evarma@lucent.com>]

Hi John,

If you want to work with the primary contributors to the development of G.8080, then it is essential you be engaged in conversations with Alan McGuire, George Newsome, Malcolm Betts, Mike Mayer at least (my apologies to other contributors of text that I have not acknowledged). In terms of RSVP extensions aspects, direct engagement with the editor of G.7713.2 (Dimitrios Penderakis) and the former editor of G.7713, who worked through early Feb. '03 on this document (Zhi-Wei Lin) would be advisable as well.  Your constructive interaction with these players would do much to improve the relationship.  Deborah's involvement is more recent, as I'm sure she would acknowledge.

With best regards,
Eve



-----Original Message-----
From: John Drake [mailto:jdrake@calient.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:18 PM
To: John Drake; 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'
Cc: 'ccamp@ops.ietf.org'
Subject: RE: ASON reqts


Bert,

Also, I don't know if you noticed but Deborah Brungard, who was a major
contributor to G.8080 (ASON), helped us out with the RSVP extensions I-D
(http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-dimitri-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-ason-
00.txt).

So we really are trying to make the ITU/IETF working relationship better.

Thanks,

John 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Drake 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:09 AM
> To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: RE: ASON reqts
> 
> 
> Bert,
> 
> We're discussing submitting the two drafts 
> (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-papadimitriou-ccamp
> -gmpls-ason-reqts-00.txt, 
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-dimitri-ccamp-gmpls-
> rsvp-te-ason-00.txt) as contributions to the ITU meeting in 
> Chicago next month.
> 
> The intention is to work closely with T1X1 and ITU in order 
> to get them a satisfactory GMPLS solution, but we still need 
> to follow the IETF process for work done in the IETF.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:56 AM
> > To: John Drake
> > Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: ASON reqts
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-andersson-mpls-g-chn
> > g-proc-00.txt.
> > > (It's the one you co-authored.)
> > > 
> > Aha... OK, that doc still needs approval.
> > We have sort of agreed that we would test-run a document from MPLS
> > WG through the process to see how/if it works.
> > 
> > But more to the point, that document is on how we control 
> work brought
> > to the IETF. It does not control how we interact as decent 
> > human beings
> > and decent organisations with our counterparts.
> > 
> > The ASON specs (including how to do GMPLS for ASON) were done 
> > by ITU-T.
> > So we cannot just assume that we need to take over. I do not believe
> > that tha above change-control-procedures are intended to specify
> > how we take away or steal or whatever-term-you-want-use work from
> > other organisations.
> > 
> > That is why I suggested the decent communication path in my earlier
> > posting.
> > 
> > Bert
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:11 AM
> > > > To: John Drake
> > > > Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> > > > Subject: RE: ASON reqts
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bert,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I thought that we had a process - the post RFC3474 process.  
> > > > 
> > > > I guess I must have missed that. 
> > > > Where is that or what are you referring to?
> > > > 
> > > > I also know that some of you do not believe we did send the ASON
> > > > people away... but for me that it what it boiled down to.
> > > > YMMV
> > > > 
> > > > Bert
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
>