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Re: Moving forward with the CCAMP charter

hi adrian

i would consider the saturarion document and probably cluster it with the set of items on "deployment/advices/BCPs/etc."

there is an item on "OAM Requirements for GMPLS Networks" with a lifetime of around 18 months, while it is difficult to have a detailed view on them wouldn't be advisable to think upon starting an item mid of next year where details (could be info) would be put together

several questions

>     - ASON Routing solutions
>       * first version of WG draft
>       * submit for IESG review

-> does this mean you envision a single document for IS-IS and OSPF (note i hope these can be submitted to the IESG by 2Q'06 instead of October 2006) also cross-WG review period should be considered

> Mar 06 First version of WG informational I-D Aligning GMPLS protocols across the standards bodies

and

>     - Aligning GMPLS protocols across the standards bodies
>       - Information I-D not intended for publication as an RFC
>       * first version of WG draft

-> what the first sub-bullet implies ? note that i do not see other specific milestone(s) for this document while the second sub-bullet refers to a WG I-D ?

> Mar 06 Submit GMPLS routing and signaling interoperability advice I-D for IESG review

-> do you have more details on this specific work item

thanks for the hard work,
- dimitri.



Adrian Farrel wrote: 
Hi,

Please find attached a file that contains:

- a set of proposed *draft* milestones
- a discussion of why there are so many milestones
- a high-level explanation of the work items.

Note that this looks like a lot of milestones, but please read the text on this issue in the attached file. The bottom line is that this is a product of micro management where I have tried to identify all of the I-Ds that we might produce to cover the referenced work, and where I have placed two (sometimes three) milestones for each I-D.

This micro-management may be over the top, and represents a full pendulum swing from the previous style of CCAMP milestones, but in the light of the hiatus of the last 12 months, i think this may be beneficial and might achieve rapid forwards movement.

I would welcome your (constructive!) comments.

Notes:
- Why isn't my I-D also cited as input material?
No insult intended. The current list is simply there to
show the ADs that work is already in progress. All I-Ds
will be used as input. - Why isn't my pet topic included?
Are you sure it is not there between the lines? This list of milestones isn't completely proscriptive.
The objective is to have the WG agreed on the milestones that it wants to commit to by the end of August.

Thanks,
Adrian


------------------------------------------------------------------------

CCAMP Working Group - Rechartering Effort

Below you will find
- a list of proposed milestones
- an explanation of why this is a long list
- overview of proposed drafts and work items

In reviewing this we should look for:
- topics that are irrelevant or unwanted by the WG
- topics that have been left out but are wanted by the WG
- topics that have been assigned the wrong priority or urgency
- topics or collections or topics that are sufficiently large
  to potentially warrant their own working group.

Proposed New milestones
-----------------------

Oct 05 First version WG I-D for Advertising TE Node Capabilities in ISIS and OSPF
Oct 05 First version WG I-D for Automatic discovery of MPLS-TE mesh membership
Nov 05 Submit ASON Routing evaluation I-D for IESG review
Nov 05 First version of WG I-D on path computation implmentation advice
Nov 05 Cross-WG review of I-D for Advertising TE Node Capabilities in ISIS and OSPF
Nov 05 First version WG I-D MPLS to GMPLS migration strategies
Nov 05 First version WG I-D GMPLS coordination of VCAT and LCAS
Nov 05 First version WG I-D Change of LSP ownership between management and control planes
Dec 05 First version of WG I-D for ASON Routing solutions
Dec 05 Submit RSVP-TE extensions for inter-domain signaling I-D for IESG review
Dec 05 Submit Per-domain path computation signaling I-D for IESG review
Dec 05 First version WG I-D Requirements for Multi-Layer and Multi-Region Networks
Dec 05 First version WG I-D for Evaluation of existing protocols for MLN/MRN
Dec 05 First version WG I-D for Protocol solutions for MLN/MRN
Jan 06 Submit GMPLS signaling in support of Call Management I-D for IESG review
Jan 06 Submit GMPLS/ASON lexicography I-D for IESG review
Jan 06 First version of WG I-D for OSPF-TE/GMPLS MIB module
Jan 06 First version WG Informational I-D for Analysis of inter-domain issues for disjoint and protected paths
Jan 06 Submit I-D for Advertising TE Node Capabilities in ISIS and OSPF for IESG review
Jan 06 First version WG I-D MPLS-GMPLS interworking requirements and solutions
Jan 06 First version WG I-D GMPLS OAM Requirements
Jan 06 First version WG I-D Routing and signaling for complex optical constraints
Feb 06 Submit LSP Stitching I-D for IESG review
Mar 06 First version of WG informational I-D Aligning GMPLS protocols across the standards bodies
Mar 06 Submit GMPLS routing and signaling interoperability advice I-D for IESG review
Mar 06 First version of WG I-D for ISIS-TE/GMPLS MIB module
Mar 06 First version of WG I-D for additional MIB module to cover RSVP-TE signaling extensions
Mar 06 Submit I-D for Automatic discovery of MPLS-TE mesh membership for IESG review
Jun 06 Submit Informational I-D for Analysis of inter-domain issues for disjoint and protected paths for IESG review
Jun 06 Submit GMPLS coordination of VCAT and LCAS I-D for IESG review
Jun 06 Submit Change of LSP ownership between management and control planes I-D for IESG review
Aug 06 Submit path computation implmentation advice I-D for IESG review
Oct 06 Submit ASON Routing solutions I-D for IESG review
Oct 06 Submit Requirements for Multi-Layer and Multi-Region Networks I-D for IESG review
Oct 06 Submit Evaluation of existing protocols for MLN/MRN for IESG review
Oct 06 Submit MPLS-GMPLS interworking requirements and solutions I-D for IESG review
Oct 06 Submit MPLS to GMPLS migration strategies I-D for IESG review
Dec 06 Submit OSPF-TE/GMPLS MIB module for MIB doctor and IESG review
Dec 06 Submit GMPLS OAM Requirements I-D for IESG review
Apr 07 Submit ISIS-TE/GMPLS MIB module for MIB doctor and IESG review
Apr 07 Submit Protocol solutions for MLN/MRN I-D for IESG review
Oct 07 Submit MIB module for RSVP-TE signaling extensions for MIB doctor and IESG review
Oct 07 Submit Routing and signaling for complex optical constraints I-D for IESG review
Oct 07 Recharter or close Working Group


Why so many milestons?
----------------------
The number of milestones shown in this proposed list far exceeds
anything I have ever seen in a working group charter. This is
intentional and while it does indicate a heavy work-load it also
indicates a higher level of micro-management than is usual within
working groups. Thus two milestones are presented for each I-D
(adoption as a WG I-D, and passing to the IESG post-WG-last-call).

This can be compared with the "normal" charter milestones which
include a single work-related item that may span several I-Ds and
refers vaguely only to the "submission" of I-Ds.

In other words, reviewers of this list should not panic because
of its length, but should see this as beneficial.


Explanation of I-Ds and work items
----------------------------------

The following text briefly introduces the work items that are
represented by the milestones listed above. In this text an
astrix (*) indicates a milestone to be set.

The work is divided into several categories according to how
core it is and how it should be prioritized. Existing drafts
are referenced to indicate that work is already in progress -
this is not intended to provide a complete list of existing
drafts.

  Completing existing work
  ========================

    ASON
    - ASON Routing evaluation
      - already have draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-eval-01.txt
      * submit for IESG review
    - ASON Routing solutions
      * first version of WG draft
      * submit for IESG review
    - GMPLS signaling in support of Call Management
      - already have draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-ason-04.txt
      * submit for IESG review
    - GMPLS/ASON lexicography
      - already have draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-lexicography-03.txt
      * submit for IESG review
    - Aligning GMPLS protocols across the standards bodies
      - Information I-D not intended for publication as an RFC
      * first version of WG draft

    Interoperability reports and advice
    - signaling and routing
      - already have draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-addressing-01.txt
      * submit for IESG review
    - path computation
      * first version of WG draft
        - based on draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-cspf-constraints-01.txt
      * submit for IESG review

    Additional MIB modules
    - OSPF-TE
      * first version of WG draft
        - based on draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-00.txt
      * submit for IESG review
    - ISIS-TE
      * first version of WG draft
      * submit for IESG review
    - Signaling
      - Need "living" MIB module under development to catch
        the minor protocol extensions that have been made
        * first version of WG draft
        * submit for IESG review

    Inter-domain
    - LSP Stitching
      - already have draft-ietf-ccamp-lsp-stitching-01.txt
      * submit for IESG review
    - RSVP-TE extensions for interdomain
      - already have draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-rsvp-te-01.txt
      * submit for IESG review
    - Per-domain path computation signaling
      - already have draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-00.txt
      * submit for IESG review
    - Analysis of inter-domain issues for disjoint and protected paths
      - Informational I-D to close off the topic and devolve to PCE
      * first version of WG draft
      * submit for IESG review

  New items already started and within existing charter
  =====================================================

    Advertising TE Node Capabilities
    - ISIS and OSPF in the same I-D
      * first version of WG draft
        - based on draft-vasseur-ccamp-te-node-cap-00.txt
      * review by IGP working groups
      * submit for IESG review

    Automatic discovery of MPLS-TE mesh membership
    - depends on TE Node capabilities I-D
      * first version of WG draft
        - based on draft-vasseur-ccamp-automesh-00.txt
      * submit for IESG review

    Multi-layer networks (also multi-region networks)
    - Requirements
      * first version of WG draft
        - based on draft-shiomoto-ccamp-gmpls-mrn-reqs-02.txt
      * submit for IESG review
    - Evaluation of existing protocols
      * first version of WG draft
        - based on draft-leroux-ccamp-gmpls-mrn-eval-01.txt
      * submit for IESG review
    - Solutions
      * first version of WG draft
        - based on draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-mrn-extensions-01.txt
      * submit for IESG review

    MPLS-GMPLS interworking requirements and solutions
      * first version of WG draft
        - material from draft-oki-ccamp-gmpls-ip-interworking-06.txt
      * submit for IESG review

    MPLS to GMPLS migration strategies
      * Informational I-D first version of WG draft
        - based on draft-oki-ccamp-gmpls-ip-interworking-06.txt
        - material from draft-ali-ccamp-gmpls-deployment-augmented-model-00.txt
      * submit Informational I-D for IESG review

  Minor items just starting but close to heart of WG
  ==================================================

    GMPLS OAM Requirements
    - Interesting and worthwhile
      * first version of WG draft
        - based on immature draft-nadeau-ccamp-gmpls-oam-requirements-00.txt
      * submit for IESG review

  Minor items just starting and important becuase of inter-SDO interactions
  =========================================================================

    GMPLS coordination of VCAT and LCAS
    - single requirements and solutions draft almost an applicablity statement
      * first version of WG draft
        - based on draft-bernstein-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-00.txt
      * submit for IESG review

    Change of LSP ownership between management and control planes
    - single requirements and solutions draft defines one bit and a procedure
      * first version of WG draft
        - based on draft-caviglia-mp2cpcp2mp-02.txt
      * submit for IESG review

  More forward-looking
  ====================

    Routing and signaling for complex optical constraints
      * first version of WG draft
        - based on draft-ashwood-ccamp-gmpls-constraint-reqts-00.txt
      * submit for IESG review