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Re: [idn] An open letter to the IDN WG (long)
Er, I appreciate the discussion, but not the singling out of mothers and
grandmothers. I may one day be one of the above, and I'd like to think
that
I know as much about entering character data in any charset in any
fashion
than one person can know when it isn't something they do exclusively.
Thank you for remembering that non-technical people are not necessarily
women with children, particularly older ones.
Andrea Vine
P.S. I knit too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Crocker" <dhc@dcrocker.net>
To: "John C Klensin" <klensin@jck.com>
Cc: <idn@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [idn] An open letter to the IDN WG (long)
> At 01:15 PM 3/19/2001, John C Klensin wrote:
> >--On Monday, 19 March, 2001 12:49 -0800 Dave Crocker
> ><dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:
> > > When computer engineers make wishful assertions about our...
> >
> >And that, to reprise part of our conversation in Melbourne, is
> >why I believe a "grandmother test" needs to be applied to this
> >work. And Nameprep --and, more generally, the attempt to get
> >words in free text to act as identifiers-- fails it.
>
> you have perfectly telescoped the topic I was most concerned about in
your
> own open letter:
>
> your note introduces feature creep
>
> "The attempt to get words in free text to act as identifiers" is not a
goal
> or requirement of the DNS.
>
> It is therefore not a goal or requirement of internationalizing the
DNS.
>
> I fully appreciate the appeal and benefit with that goal, but it is
not
> within scope.
>
> Domain names sometimes seduce people into thinking that they represent
> words if free text, but that is not what they are.
>
> *** And we have no need to expand domain names to be words
in
> free text ***
>
> It is one thing to deal with a "coding" limitation and fix it, that
is, to
> move from ASCII as the end-user string to an international range of
> characters. It is an entirely different thing to try to change the
> philosophy and semantics of the domain name "type".
>
> Even grandmothers can learn cryptic syntax, though it is not
reasonable to
> force them to learn different character sets.
>
> There is always a balance to seek and, yes, we need to be very careful
> about the burden we place on grandmothers. However they learn postal
codes
> and telephone numbers. And all the evidence is that they learn URLs
> reasonably well. Domain name restrictions fall well within that scope
of
> restrictions.
>
> d/
>
> ----------
> Dave Crocker <mailto:dcrocker@brandenburg.com>
> Brandenburg InternetWorking <http://www.brandenburg.com>
> tel: +1.408.246.8253; fax: +1.408.273.6464
>
>
>
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> From: "A. Vine" <avine@iplanet.com>
> Subject: Re: [idn] An open letter to the IDN WG (long)
> To: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>, John C Klensin <klensin@jck.com>
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> Er, I appreciate the discussion, but not the singling out of mothers
and
> grandmothers. I may one day be one of the above, and I'd like to
think that
> I know as much about entering character data in any charset in any
fashion
> than one person can know when it isn't something they do exclusively.
> Thank you for remembering that non-technical people are not
necessarily
> women with children, particularly older ones.
>
> Andrea Vine
> P.S. I knit too.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Crocker" <dhc@dcrocker.net>
> To: "John C Klensin" <klensin@jck.com>
> Cc: <idn@ops.ietf.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [idn] An open letter to the IDN WG (long)
>
>
> > At 01:15 PM 3/19/2001, John C Klensin wrote:
> > >--On Monday, 19 March, 2001 12:49 -0800 Dave Crocker
> > ><dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:
> > > > When computer engineers make wishful assertions about our...
> > >
> > >And that, to reprise part of our conversation in Melbourne, is
> > >why I believe a "grandmother test" needs to be applied to this
> > >work. And Nameprep --and, more generally, the attempt to get
> > >words in free text to act as identifiers-- fails it.
> >
> > you have perfectly telescoped the topic I was most concerned about
in your
> > own open letter:
> >
> > your note introduces feature creep
> >
> > "The attempt to get words in free text to act as identifiers" is not
a
> goal
> > or requirement of the DNS.
> >
> > It is therefore not a goal or requirement of internationalizing the
DNS.
> >
> > I fully appreciate the appeal and benefit with that goal, but it is
not
> > within scope.
> >
> > Domain names sometimes seduce people into thinking that they
represent
> > words if free text, but that is not what they are.
> >
> > *** And we have no need to expand domain names to be words
in
> > free text ***
> >
> > It is one thing to deal with a "coding" limitation and fix it, that
is, to
> > move from ASCII as the end-user string to an international range of
> > characters. It is an entirely different thing to try to change the
> > philosophy and semantics of the domain name "type".
> >
> > Even grandmothers can learn cryptic syntax, though it is not
reasonable to
> > force them to learn different character sets.
> >
> > There is always a balance to seek and, yes, we need to be very
careful
> > about the burden we place on grandmothers. However they learn
postal
> codes
> > and telephone numbers. And all the evidence is that they learn URLs
> > reasonably well. Domain name restrictions fall well within that
scope of
> > restrictions.
> >
> > d/
> >
> > ----------
> > Dave Crocker <mailto:dcrocker@brandenburg.com>
> > Brandenburg InternetWorking <http://www.brandenburg.com>
> > tel: +1.408.246.8253; fax: +1.408.273.6464
> >
> >
> >
>
>