Re: ace leaking (was: Re: [idn] Debunking the ACE myth)

["Gary Krall" <gary@langoo.net>]

Dave:

This is an excellent point.  In the original spirit of the internet users
should be given choices and they should have the flexibility to select the
appropriate solution for them.  In that regard if a company wants to
register both ML as well as ASCII names and how they want to create the
ASCII names should be up to them.

Patrik's proposal, if I understand it, of letting users with use the ACE
representation does provide an option for  ASCII "only" users.  But, as
Patrik points out is quite "ugly" given the current "bq--xxxx" structure.
Instead, a company can make a much better choice of how to create
alternatives for their in language names.  For example if a domain is "täg"
a company may want to regsiter the ASCII domain "taag" and provide both
alternatives as links to their domain.

But the point that Patrik makes about not forcing people to regsiter
multiple domain names just because they need a ML name is well taken.  IMHO,
a correct solution would be to solve the basic problem of being able to
input mulitlingual characters on any platform without requiring multilingual
OS support.  Software such as this that would co-exist within an ASCII
infrastucture and enable users the ability to input ML characters might be
worth considering.

Gary.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Crocker" <dhc@dcrocker.net>
To: <idn@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: ace leaking (was: Re: [idn] Debunking the ACE myth)


> this mini-debate about registering multiple domain names is really about
> marketing.  less grandly, it is about convenience for the people you
> communicate with.
>
> an organization will choose whatever set of domain name strings it deems
> helpful for communicating with various audiences.    organizations have
> been doing this a long time and there is nothing really special about
> domain names, in this regard...  as long as we do not impose peculiar
> requirements on them.
>
> So,
>
> At 10:39 AM 7/24/2001, Patrik Fältström wrote:
> >  I am not interested in paying some registry and ISP for hosting an
extra
> > domain just because
> >some people can not type in adiaeresis. I rather expose the ACE and let
> >people fight with it (ugly as it is).
>
> is offset by earlier comments about difficulty in finding the right
> keystrokes for generating the characters, and your own desire for a way to
> type a japanese iDN without having to know how to generate the japanese
> characters.
>
> The point is that domain holders will (and do) pay attention to the
> conveniences of those who must type their domain names.  Those wishing
> maximum ease will choose a range of names.
>
> Just as there is www.ca.gov and www.state.ca.us, there will be (multiple
> domain names in multiple character sets, for the same organization.)
>
> An entirely different matter would be this standards body doing anything
> that required or prevented that choice.
>
> d/
>
>
>
>
> d/
>
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