Re: [idn] opting out of SC/TC equivalence

["xiaodong lee" <lee@whale.cnnic.net.cn>]

James, some opinion of mine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Seng/Personal" <James@Seng.cc>
To: <tsenglm@cc.ncu.edu.tw>; <liana.ydisg@juno.com>
Cc: <idn@ops.ietf.org>; <dhc@dcrocker.net>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [idn] opting out of SC/TC equivalence


> As much as I agree with Prof Tseng well-intention, unfortunately, the
> concept of "language" is out of scope for the working group.
> 
> This working is chartered to do "Internationalized access to Domain
> Names". Unfortunately, domain names understand only "script" not
> "language". It does not matter what you wish, it can't be done in Domain
> Names (It can be done in some other mechanism of course).
> 

you said it. Maybe we could not handle language problems in IDN, but we could 
not forget that all script have language characteristics of themselves, especially for 
Chinese. Internationalization means all users could use their familiar  ways to use
domain name, not means all users must follow one ways.

> And we are doing "Internationalization" not "Multilingualism". These may
> just be terminology but the subtle differences in these terms makes a
> lot of differences. I learn it the hard way for those who is with the WG
> from the beginning.
> 

Exactly, we are doing internationalization, but how do we explain for users what is 
internationalization, and what is multilingualism, I think ordinary users care about 
how to use , not what is.

> Thus, I would modify your statement below to: "from each SCRIPT
> users/engineers and ask them how they want their scripts to be use".
> (ie. all han ideograph (CJK) users should talk about han folding
> together if we going down the path of tsconv).
> 

Prof. Tseng care more about users requirements, I think, a technology developed without
enough users requirements, it makes no sense.


> -James Seng
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <liana.ydisg@juno.com>
> To: <tsenglm@cc.ncu.edu.tw>
> Cc: <idn@ops.ietf.org>; <dhc@dcrocker.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [idn] opting out of SC/TC equivalence
> 
> 
> > I agree with Prof. Tseng's point.  And I suggest that
> > we shall collect inputs from each language users/engineers
> >  and ask them what do they think about their scripts should
> > be handled.  What are the non-semantic issues that
> > could be dealed with [nameprep] type of simple scheme and
> > benifit long term communication and identification of
> > a hostname on the internet.
> >
> > Liana
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:14:37 +0800
> > =?UTF-8?B?dHNlbmdsbUDoqIjntrLkuK3lv4Mu5Lit5aSnLnR3?=
> > <tsenglm@cc.ncu.edu.tw> writes:
> >        If your statements are meant John is the God father , so no
> > > one can
> > > pass over the line he defined , I will ask what is the goal of this
> > > WG ?
> > > Does it is used to hurt other people in this world ?
> > >       IDN is very complex ,  but if  you try to neglect some truth
> > > then the
> > > political issue will be introduced , then no one will be happy .
> > >
> > > L.M.Tseng
> > >
> >
> 
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