Re: [idn] Traditional-simplified, yet again

["ben" <ben@cc-www.com>]

Hi Paul,

I did *not purposely* misquote you.  I truly thought they were related
so I did not think there was a need to forward the entire quote-
especially since everyone has *already got* a copy of the original.
It was important for me that you clarify what you mean- thanks for
that.

However, I still don't understand how anyone (whether they are Chinese
or non-Chinese) can delay this process by posting up messages and
writing drafts?

Thanks,
Ben




----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Hoffman / IMC" <phoffman@imc.org>
To: <idn@ops.ietf.org>; <jet-member@nic.ad.jp>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [idn] Traditional-simplified, yet again


> At 9:56 PM -0500 10/29/01, ben wrote:
> >Hi Paul,
> >
> >>  This discussion has an undercurrent of Chinese vs. non-Chinese,
and
> >>  that is really ugly. The problems faced in
traditional-simplified
> >
> >>  The people who say "the IETF cannot move forwards with IDN until
it
> >>  is better for my language than for other people's language" are
> >doing
> >>  a disservice to everyone, including the people who use their own
> >>  language.
> >>
> >>  --Paul Hoffman, Director
> >>  --Internet Mail Consortium
> >>
> >
> >Although I generally like to stay out of discussions on TC<->SC
(due
> >to my lack of technical knowledge compared to most people in this
WG),
> >I must correct you on the above.  To blame the Chinese people in
this
> >WG for delaying the progress of the IETF is so unfair.  How is it
> >possible for people to delay the progress of the IETF by simply
> >posting up messages and writing drafts?
>
> Ben, that is both absurd and deeply offensive. You purposely put two
> unrelated quotes together and then misquote me. I never said "the
> Chinese people" did anything because I know that "the Chinese
people"
> don't all agree on everything or do the same things. There have been
> folks from a number of different countries who have exhibited the
> behavior I was complaining about. Further, all of us together are
> responsible for the advance and delay in this Working Group.
>
> Right now, we are waiting for a draft from a group of people that is
> comprised of both Chinese and non-Chinese folks who have a deeper
> understanding of an important topic that many of the rest of us do.
> The nationality of the people writing that document is mostly
> irrelevant: their knowledge of the topic is what most important
here.
> Trying to draw nationalistic lines is not helpful, and is
> particularly silly in a body like the IETF.
>
> --Paul Hoffman, Director
> --Internet Mail Consortium
>
>