Re: [idn] Traditional-simplified, yet again

[Patrik Fältström <paf@cisco.com>]

--On 01-10-29 21.56 -0500 ben <ben@cc-www.com> wrote:

> How is it
> possible for people to delay the progress of the IETF by simply
> posting up messages and writing drafts?

By

(a) Talking about an important issue
(b) People tell the author what part of that issue can be solved
    in the DNS, and how, and point to other solutions for
    the other part(s) of the issue
(c) Talking about the important issue again, with no changes
(d) People tell the author again that things have to be changed
    because the issue can not be solved in DNS
(e) Go to (c)

Myself, I have with the CNNIC people now passed point (e) four(!) times,
and I start to get tired on this. The proposals from CNNIC have not changed
at all since (a), and conversations have occurred on the IDN mailing list,
in private conversations (one is going on at the moment) and in face to
face meetings.

Further, at second pass of (e), myself and others talked with the
authorities on Chinese scripts we know to verify that we were not stupid or
misunderstood something. _ALL_ of these said that it was the CNNIC people
which had not understood the complexity of the problem. Further, the
Unicode Consortium have already been through the SC/TC problem once, and to
explicitly state this fact, the Unicode Consortium explicitly sent a liason
statement to the IETF stating this fact.

When all of these things was presented to the CNNIC people, the rough
consensus in the wg on what to do, the information from external sources,
and the liason statement from Unicode Consortium, the response is:

- The wg don't understand the problem
- The external sources don't understand the problem
- Unicode Consortium don't work on these issues
- ISO have nothing to do with Chinese Characters

And we go back to (c) again from (e).

Sorry, but this is absolutely NOTHING but a delaying process from ignorant
people.

Note that I am nowhere above saying that SC/TC is a problem. Just like
other equality (define the word equality whatever way you want) when you
use more than one script -- and in some cases even with one.

I am as you can see extremely tired on this wg not making process just
because one group of people is blocking the discussions.

This wg is not making any progress.

Absolutely NOTHING has been changed in the proposals which are on the table
the last couple of months, and as in all processes, we _could_ have been
able to discuss things which we still have to polish here and there. For
example, the part of the SC/TC issues which have to do with mappings from
local charsets to Unicode, use of Unicode in other protocol elements than
domain names etc.

So, at the moment it is CNNIC which effectively see that the world can not
use Chinese Characters in the DNS.

     paf