Re: [idn] summary of reordering discussion

["Soobok Lee" <lsb@postel.co.kr>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Hoffman / IMC" <phoffman@imc.org>
To: <idn@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [idn] summary of reordering discussion


> At 2:59 PM +0900 11/9/01, Soobok Lee wrote:
> >IS there No need to compare and copy and transscript the "gibberish" ?
> >Think about ergonomics around dealing with the gibberish by ordinary users,
> >not by you engineers.
> 
> This is probably the basis of the disagreement that most people have 
> with reordering.
> 
> In fact, there is no need for humans to compare or copy (by hand) or 
> transcribe ACEs except in very rare cases, such as administrative 
> debugging. 

MOre than debugging. ALL adminstrative works around web/mail/ceritificate etc.
Do you think all the SW in the world  would be i18ned for IDN ?
There are numorous in-house legacy applications that are difficult to
to upgraded to support UTF8 GUI IDN supports for various reasons.

>And even in those cases, the types of names that you say 
> will be typical in the Asian scripts that would be optimized are 
> already very long.
> 
???

> Ordinary users will never be expected to type in ACE names. When an 
> application leaks ACE names, it will always be a visual 
> representation, not something that someone would have to type in by 
> hand.
 
Such visual representation exists for ordinary users' comparisons and
copy&pase and transcription and verification.
You estimate ACE leakage will occur *rarely*. But I don't agree.
Europeans who don't know chinese and often have no installed chinese font sets
will prefer to verify and view them in their ACE form. That's true for arabic/hebrew/hindi/thai/tibetan. bi(tri)-lingualism across continents are 
not common. You i18n *experts* had better take the viewpoints of uni-lingual *laymen*. Think about the distributions of language/script usage and bi-ligualism usage across continents.

See the enclosed ML.com renewal invoice notices which contain ACE labels instead
of UTF8 ones. Why  does most registrars send its invoice with IDN labels in ACE form? Why?

Soobok Lee


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