Re: [idn] SUMMARY: reordering strawpoll

["James Seng/Personal" <jseng@pobox.org.sg>]

Thanks Bruce for sharing your views.

Is it possible to hear from some folk from .tw and .cn who has say YES
and what you think of Bruce comments?

-James Seng

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Thomson" <bthomson@fm-net.ne.jp>
To: "IETF idn working group" <idn@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [idn] SUMMARY: reordering strawpoll


> Obviously the strawpoll was split nearly 100% by country, with
> China, Taiwan, and Korea in favor, and everyone else including
> Japan opposed.
>
> Personally I am in favor of dropping the whole thing, but it is
> disturbing that everyone voting in the strawpoll from those three
> countries voted in favor...
>
> It is even possible to consider the compromise solution of
> having reordering only apply to scripts from those three
> countries only, except that presumably there is no way
> to do that without having it apply to Japanese as well. The
> Japanese will not like this, I think.
>
> Therefore I would like to hope that the people from those
> 3 countries reconsider, and let us drop reordering from the
> spec. We have a hard time as it is producing something
> deliverable, and the gains of reordering are not really going
> to make the end user notice a difference.
>
> Bruce
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Seng/Personal" <jseng@pobox.org.sg>
> To: "liana Ye" <liana.ydisg@juno.com>
> Cc: <huangk@alum.sinica.edu>; <yone@po.ntts.co.jp>; <idn@ops.ietf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [idn] SUMMARY: reordering strawpoll
>
>
> > Thanks Liana.
> >
> > I hope there are more discussion on this because we certainly cannot
> > leave this hanging so I am going to post my personal views.
> >
> > There are few ways we can read this. For example,
> > 1. purely numbers, ie 30 vs 21 vs 2.
> > 2. by group of people, ie many people disagree vs one group of
people
> >    with some individual who wants it
> >
> > You may insert other ways to read it.
> >
> > At the minimual, I think it is very safe to say we do not have
consensus
> > to add reordering to NAMEPREP-ACE, either from basic reading of the
> > numbers or intepretion of the numbers.
> >
> > -James Seng
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "liana Ye" <liana.ydisg@juno.com>
> > To: <jseng@pobox.org.sg>
> > Cc: <huangk@alum.sinica.edu>; <yone@po.ntts.co.jp>;
<idn@ops.ietf.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 5:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [idn] SUMMARY: reordering strawpoll
> >
> >
> > > My interpretation is the people who are familar with
> > >  Chinese character processing is used to frequence
> > > based methods and love the benefit Reordering is
> > > providing.
> > >
> > > Liana
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:08:48 +0800 "James Seng/Personal"
> > > <jseng@pobox.org.sg> writes:
> > > > Yoneya-san,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for posting the strawpoll summaries.
> > > >
> > > > Remember, strawpoll is not a vote. the number in itself (21 or
30)
> > > > only
> > > > means something depending on our interpretion.
> > > >
> > > > So Kenny, let me ask the question back to you :-) What do you
think
> > > > this
> > > > statistic means?
> > > >
> > > > -James Seng
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Kenny Huang" <huangk@alum.sinica.edu>
> > > > To: "Yoshiro YONEYA" <yone@po.ntts.co.jp>; <idn@ops.ietf.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 5:32 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [idn] SUMMARY: reordering strawpoll
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What does the statistics mean ?
> > > >
> > > > Kenny Huang
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-idn@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-idn@ops.ietf.org]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Yoshiro YONEYA
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 5:18 PM
> > > > > To: idn@ops.ietf.org
> > > > > Subject: [idn] SUMMARY: reordering strawpoll
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On behalf of counters, I report the summary of reordering
> > > > strawpoll
> > > > > done during Nov 12-16.
> > > > >
> > > > > There were 55 mail in total during the period, and 2 were from
the
> > > > > same, so 53 were valid.  Following list shows senders' domain
> > > > names.
> > > > >
> > > > > NO: 30 (there were 32 NO but 2 were duplicated)
> > > > > aist.go.jp
> > > > > alldomains.com
> > > > > bic.nus.edu.sg
> > > > > cequrux.com
> > > > > cs.com
> > > > > dsl.gr.jp
> > > > > enic.cc
> > > > > extundo.com
> > > > > fm-net.ne.jp
> > > > > goto.info.waseda.ac.jp
> > > > > imc.org
> > > > > ItsYourDomain.Com
> > > > > jprs.jp
> > > > > jprs.jp
> > > > > linux.or.jp
> > > > > macchiato.com
> > > > > md.chalmers.se
> > > > > microsoft.com
> > > > > nic.ad.jp
> > > > > nominum.com
> > > > > po.ntts.co.jp
> > > > > pobox.org.sg
> > > > > pobox.org.sg
> > > > > realnames.com
> > > > > sra.co.jp
> > > > > verisign.com
> > > > > verisign.com
> > > > > w3.org
> > > > > zetnet.co.uk
> > > > > sharif.edu
> > > > >
> > > > > YES: 21
> > > > > cc.ncu.edu.tw
> > > > > cnnic.net.cn
> > > > > cnnic.net.cn
> > > > > cnnic.net.cn
> > > > > gate.sinica.edu.tw
> > > > > iis.sinica.edu.tw
> > > > > iis.sinica.edu.tw
> > > > > mail.moe.gov.tw
> > > > > ms1.url.com.tw
> > > > > nic-naa.net
> > > > > nic.or.kr
> > > > > ports.se
> > > > > postel.co.kr
> > > > > sinica.edu.tw
> > > > > spsoft.co.kr
> > > > > twnic.net.tw
> > > > > twnic.net.tw
> > > > > twnic.net.tw
> > > > > twnic.net.tw
> > > > > whale.cnnic.net.cn
> > > > > whale.cnnic.net.cn
> > > > >
> > > > > ABSTAIN: 2
> > > > > lysator.liu.se
> > > > > switch.ch
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Yoshiro YONEYA <yone@po.ntts.co.jp>
> > > > >            aka <yone@nic.ad.jp>
> > > > >
> > > > > ----
> > > > > From: "James Seng/Personal" <jseng@pobox.org.sg>
> > > > > Subject: [idn] reordering strawpoll
> > > > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:35:49 +0800
> > > > >
> > > > > > The working group co-chairs would like to conduct a
strawpoll to
> > > > > > guage the consensus of the working group on reordering
> > > > > >
> > > >
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idn-lsb-ace-02.txt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Instructions:
> > > > > > - Send an email to idn-consensus@jdna.jp
> > > > > > - In your subject, put a single word "YES", "NO", or
"ABSTAIN"
> > > > > > - Leave your body empty. Any text in body will be ignored.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The strawpoll will conclude on 16th Nov 23:59 GMT. Counting
will
> > > > be
> > > > > > done by wg members, Yoshiro Yoneya, Yves Arrouye, Dave
Crocker
> > > > and
> > > > > > the co-chairs, Marc Blanchet & James Seng. The result of the
> > > > poll
> > > > will
> > > > > > be made public after we tally the count.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- STRAWPOLL QUESTION ---
> > > > > > Do you agree to include reordering (draft-ietf-idn-lsb-ace)
into
> > > > > > NAMEPREP-ACE architecture?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---- YES -----: mailto:idn-consensus@jdna.jp?Subject=YES
> > > > > > If you say 'yes', then you agree to include reordering into
> > > > > > NAMEPREP-ACE architecture.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The implication of 'yes' result is that
draft-ietf-idn-lsb-ace
> > > > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > added into NAMEPREP-ACE architecture
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- NO -----: mailto:idn-consensus@jdna.jp?Subject=NO
> > > > > > If you say 'no', then you disagree to include reordering
into
> > > > > > NAMEPREP-ACE architecture.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The implication of 'no' result is that
draft-ietf-idn-lsb-ace
> > > > > > will be dropped from the wg core interest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- ABSTAIN ---:
mailto:idn-consensus@jdna.jp?Subject=ABSTAIN
> > > > > > If you say 'abstain', then you are happy with either 'yes'
or
> > > > 'no',
> > > > > > following the majority opinion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- SILENT ----: Of course, you may choose to remain silent.
> > > >
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