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Re: [idn] IAB letter on IDNs and VeriSign





--On Tuesday, 28 January, 2003 13:27 +0900 Soobok Lee <lsb@postel.co.kr> wrote:

<quote>
[14] At the core of all of the IAB's concerns is the
architectural principle that the DNS is a lookup service which
must behave in an interoperable, predictable way at all levels
of the DNS hierarchy. Furthermore, as a lookup service it is
such a fundamental part of the Internet's infrastructure that
converting it to an application-based search service, as the
deployed system does, is not appropriate even in the case
where the query presented would not normally map to a
registered domain. </quote>

I have to accept IAB's concerns about VGRS solutions. But,  if
such solutions will be timedout and  phased out after 2 years
and operated with care under IAB's new "operational
guidelines", those harms can be minimized, while it will give
great boostup to plugins distributions. I expect ICANN will
consider the  bright side of the solutions and make balanced
decisions. Many asian region  NICs are considering to   put
even non-ASCII labels in their zone (not IDNA-compatibile)
with slightly different approaches, even after they become
fully aware of those caveats behind their approaches.

IDNA/stringprep/nameprep introduce confusions,collisions and
uncertainty to the DNS systems much more  than VGRS specific
implementation/deployment solutions does ,as explained in
ICANN BoD's last resolutions in  Shanghai..
Soobok,

With the understanding that I'm not on the IAB any more and did not participate in the writing of that statement...

First, designing anything for the Internet on the assumption that it will be deployed and then "phased out after 2 years" just doesn't recognize reality. We have had almost zero success in "phasing things out" when they are deployed only on servers. The problem is much worse when implementations require replacing software on client machines and the protocols are still vaguely operational. Our last success in making a major and rapid phase-out solution was the "phase out" of NCP. That was 20 years ago and with the benefit of credible threats to remove any host from the network which did not comply.

Second, there is no reason to predict that ICANN will do anything that is sensible, measured, and that shows a good understanding of either the technical or the policy issues of IDN deployment -- rather than just the short-term politics or agreement that internationalization is good. Certainly the resolutions adopted in Shanghai should not be considered good news in this respect. Those resolutions basically say "there is a problem, we should proceed carefully, and the lifetime of the so-far-ineffectual committee should be extended to work on it without changes that will make it more effective".

IESG/IAB are
willing to justify that IDNA by supplemental Registrations
guidelines ? If IDNA can be justified in such a way, why not
VGRS solutions ?   :-) Still I hope IAB can express such
consistent conservatism  also to IDNA/nameprep itself, which is
the source of all these hassles...
At the risk of reopening a debate that was never satisfactorily resolved, if the issue is merely one of permitting non-ASCII characters to be used in identifiers, with those identifiers being placed in DNS labels, IDNA is fine. It may even be more complex and protective than is needed for that purpose (just as the LDH rules were more than is needed for strict identifier use in ASCII). To my knowledge, neither the IAB nor the IESG have taken a formal position on whether registration guidelines are either necessary or sufficient to resolve any presumed problems with IDNA. If, by contrast, someone is expecting IDNA to solve the most general of user-interface searching and navigation problems, that expectation is completely unrealistic. I think just about everyone knows that is the case at this stage, if only because it is clear that the DNS is inadequate to solve that problem for names that are restricted to ASCII. Some marketing organizations might like to pretend otherwise, but that doesn't make success in use of the DNS as a general-purpose search environment any more likely.

So your point was?

regards,
john