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Re: RMON document advancement



David B Harrington wrote:

What he said ;-)


Wow, maybe you can teach an old dog new tricks :-)
I was trying to be kind and have some faith that all the
work on advancement (a major pain for WG Chairs)
has not been in vain.  But the Emperor has no clothes.
We have examples where advancement to Draft has
caused harm to the standards quality, and no examples
that Draft or even Full Standard status has helped in any way.

Do we really need a draft to declare that we're just not going to
try to advance any MIBs past Proposed anymore?

David Harrington
dbharrington@comcast.net

Andy



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-mreview@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-mreview@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Juergen
Schoenwaelder
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:47 PM
To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Cc: Andy Bierman; MIB Doctors
Subject: Re: RMON document advancement

On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 09:22:34PM +0100, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:

Mmm... I was more thinking of describing why having MIB document
just at PS and recycle at PS if updates/changes are needed.

I would not want to suggest to dive into the NEWTRK pool. You probably will get depressed.
I was just thinking that if we document why we (MIB people) think
that one level (PS) and recycling at that if changes/updates are
needed, then we can see if NM and MIB people support that, and
we could even try to get that adopted for MIB documents as the
acceptable process.
I would support a document specific to MIB modules - a problem space
we reasonably understand.

I think we have in this particular space a number of cases where we
can prove that the IETF model causes (a) either (almost) endless
delays or (b) forces artificial document splits or (c) cases where
we
at the end manage to advance but only by not doing the updates that
actually would have been required.

In other words, recycling at Proposed seems to document best current
practice in the MIB module space.

/js

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