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RE: Question on reliable transports



The suggested approach seems reasonable to me.   This is more or less the same reasoning
that led to having RFC 3539 cover SCTP as well as TCP.

> Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:34:16 +0200
> From: aland@deployingradius.com
> To: radiusext@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: Question on reliable transports
>
> I've been working on the TCP && DTLS drafts, and have a few questions
> for a wider audience, especially those with experience deploying RadSec.
>
> First, there appears to be a fair bit of overlap between the
> discussion of TCP as a reliable transport, and the reliable transport
> offered by DTLS. Many of the issues surrounding lack of retransmission,
> transport-layer "connections", etc. are the same.
>
> My thought was to slightly re-target the TCP draft to be a "RADIUS
> over reliable transport" draft. The result would be a draft that
> applies to both TCP and DTLS, and possibly to future reliable transports
> for RADIUS. Any TLS issues would be left to the DTLS draft, which could
> then concentrate on security, rather than on reliable transport.
>
> Does this approach seem reasonable to the list? The drafts are still
> individual submissions, but the may be WG drafts at some point in the
> future, so obtaining consensus now would be a positive step.
>
> The second issue is what to do about accounting over reliable
> transport. Accounting-Request packets that do not get "accepted"
> silently fail with the server failing to respond to the client. i.e.
> there is no Accounting-NAK packet in RADIUS.
>
> The issue here is that this behavior severely limits the utility of
> reliable transport. If the accounting server does not ACK a series of
> Accounting-Request packets, then the client must wait for timeouts
> before re-using the request ID's. When coupled with the limit of 256
> packets being sent over one connection, these limits may result in an
> upper bound of only a few packets/s.
>
> How do these issues affect real-world deployments of RadSec? Is it a
> problem? If so, is a solution required?
>
> Alan DeKok.
>
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