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Re: [RRG] some musings on PI v. PA, and assumptions, requirements, and tradeoffs



Dino Farinacci wrote:
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 01:38:21PM -0400, Scott Brim wrote:
Dave, I'm missing what's new here.  Having a PI allocation means news
of available paths to you can be carried further (all over) in BGP
space without being aggregated, so people are aware of you further
away and may take different paths to reach you.  Good but costly.
    I was just trying to point out that there are folks
    (service providers of a sort) for whom the grail of
    aggregation doesn't seem like an advantage.

    Dave
This is a really important point. That is, "the sorts" are willing to 
pay for slots in everyone's routing table (read: it costs them nothing) 
because they get better convergence. Having said that, a Loc/ID split 
solution provides no value in this case of multihoming.
And if their servers are stationary, there isn't a mobility case where a 
Loc/ID split solution would help.
Haven't we been round this particular mulberry bush a few times already? 
  Yes, the routing system offers the path of least resistance when 
attempting to solve a number of issues, and thats because routing 
solutions are invariable simple and (today) cheap. And the Loc/ID split 
seems to be a pretty massive solution for something that does not appear 
to be a commonly accepted problem in the first place. So yes, we 
continue to use the routing system for multi-homing, traffic engineering 
and similar. It just works.
The only concern I've heard voiced that seems to me to be a real issue 
in all this is the question "what if we all did that?" Are there numbers 
for "we all" that appear to be beyond the capability of the technology 
curve? Are there numbers for "we all" that might even be beyond the 
capability of the protocol? If so, then we probably need some kind of 
plan B, and it does appear to me that if you want to get out of the 
tyranny of incrementalism then you need to consider something a little 
more fundamental in terms of network architectures when you start to 
look at what would make a Plan B effective. For me this path is where 
the split loc/ID approaches start to gain traction. But to be clear, the 
split loc/ID approach does not appear to me to be a viable tactical 
response to routing inflation in the near term future.
  Geoff




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