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Re: 6to4 default MTU [was Re: (ngtrans) 6to4 MRU - need WG consensus]
- To: Tony Hain <alh-ietf@tndh.net>
- Subject: Re: 6to4 default MTU [was Re: (ngtrans) 6to4 MRU - need WG consensus]
- From: Brian E Carpenter <brian@hursley.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:42:49 +0200
- Cc: "'Robert Elz'" <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>, IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
- Delivery-date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:44:32 -0700
- Envelope-to: v6ops-data@psg.com
- Organization: IBM
Tony Hain wrote:
>
> kre wrote:
> > Actually, no it isn't, and this is the point. Packets
> > exceeding the MRU
> > generally just get dropped (unless something implements the
> > idea that Christian suggested, which currently, I know of
> > nothing that does). No ICMP gets sent back.
> >
> > That is, PMTUD doesn't find this problem, what happens is a
> > black hole.
>
> An apparently false assumption on my part was that implementations had a
> black-hole detector tied to their PMTU discovery process. At least for
> TCP the stack should know that the small packets through SYN-ACK worked,
> so if large ones are failing, it would seem logical to shrink them
> before trying again, then try to grow them over time.
>
> Short of that, I agree it makes the most sense to require a 6to4
> receiver to send an IPv6 MTU exceeded message when reassembly fails due
> to size. It will have the necessary information, and as a router its job
> is to inform the upstream node when a link capacity is being exceded.
> The unusual aspect of this case is that the link is a logical one inside
> the router between IPv4 and IPv6, and the failure notice is coming from
> the inbound IPv6 interface rather than an outbound one. The more I think
> about it, this would be a reasonable requirement for all inbound IPv6
> interfaces, because we may end up with the same kinds of MTU/MRU
> mismatch issues we found with FDDI-Ethernet bridges as we move into gigE
> ...
Exactly. There is nothing special about a 6to4 interface in this respect.
Brian