Re: quality of v6 connections [Re: unmanaged scope comments]

[Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>]

6bone is what we have.

Saying it is not "ipv6 internet" won't change the truth, unfortunately.  
We have a small, with a couple of million potential users, native IPv6
network in Europe too, called 6NET, but I wouldn't go as far as calling
that "ipv6 internet" either.

One must either acknowledge that or live in a dream world thinking we have 
good connections, "ipv6 internet" is doing well etc.

And how we can fix that?  Start building real v6 connections and start 
ignoring 6bone.  But there is no IPv6 internet other than 6bone yet.  
Sorry.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Marc Blanchet wrote:
> -- mardi, septembre 24, 2002 09:36:29 +0300 Pekka Savola
> <pekkas@netcore.fi> wrote/a écrit:
> 
> > I'll revisit this due to a private comment.
> > 
> > Perhaps I should clarify this a bit.
> > 
> > Your take seems to be "how do we solve this problem given the network and 
> > v6 connectivity we have".
> > 
> > Mine is basically "we have a problem with network connectivity and v6 and
> > with the current state, turning v6 on for everything will produce
> > dissatisfied users".
> > 
> > With "network connectivity" I'm referring to the 6bone mess.
> 
> 6bone = experimental network.  6bone is not the IPv6 internet.
> 
> > 
> > People usually just say, "enable IPv6" but it's more complex that.  As an 
> > user that actually uses IPv6 quite a bit, I'd be very hesitant to enable 
> > full use in a generic form.
> > 
> > I'm not sure whether trying to solve this is in our charter or not (or 
> > even if it was, would we be able to do anything), but that's one real 
> > problem.  6bone mess is hindering IPv6 deployment.
> 
> not really. 
> 
> > 
> > FWIW, I think 6bone addresses etc. are useful to get people started and 
> > acquainted with IPv6.  But tunnel-to-everyone, transit-to-everyone mess
> > is  not.  Those 6bone sites should be connected as leaf sites to proper 
> > connectivity providers.
> 
> s/6bone/internet ipv6/
> 
> Marc.
> 
> 
> 

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Pekka Savola                 "Tell me of difficulties surmounted,
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