Re: quality of v6 connections [Re: unmanaged scope comments]

[Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>]

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Marc Blanchet wrote:
> -- mardi, septembre 24, 2002 16:54:04 +0300 Pekka Savola
> <pekkas@netcore.fi> wrote/a écrit:
> 
> > 6bone is what we have.
> 
> we have more than 6bone. one good way to differentiate is: 
>  6bone = 3ffe::/16. ipv6 internet = 2001::/16.

Routing is independent of addressing.

[...]
> What I'm trying to say is that the current 6bone should not be seen as a
> model or a reference of the "ipv6 internet". it is a testbed, experimental
> network, crash and burn, ...

Sure.. sure.. but before we can have *any* credibility, we must have a 
network that is reasonably global.  Today that that is 6bone, 
unfortunately.


> > On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Marc Blanchet wrote:
> >> -- mardi, septembre 24, 2002 09:36:29 +0300 Pekka Savola
> >> <pekkas@netcore.fi> wrote/a écrit:
> >> 
> >> > I'll revisit this due to a private comment.
> >> > 
> >> > Perhaps I should clarify this a bit.
> >> > 
> >> > Your take seems to be "how do we solve this problem given the network
> >> > and  v6 connectivity we have".
> >> > 
> >> > Mine is basically "we have a problem with network connectivity and v6
> >> > and with the current state, turning v6 on for everything will produce
> >> > dissatisfied users".
> >> > 
> >> > With "network connectivity" I'm referring to the 6bone mess.
> >> 
> >> 6bone = experimental network.  6bone is not the IPv6 internet.
> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > People usually just say, "enable IPv6" but it's more complex that.  As
> >> > an  user that actually uses IPv6 quite a bit, I'd be very hesitant to
> >> > enable  full use in a generic form.
> >> > 
> >> > I'm not sure whether trying to solve this is in our charter or not (or 
> >> > even if it was, would we be able to do anything), but that's one real 
> >> > problem.  6bone mess is hindering IPv6 deployment.
> >> 
> >> not really. 
> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > FWIW, I think 6bone addresses etc. are useful to get people started
> >> > and  acquainted with IPv6.  But tunnel-to-everyone,
> >> > transit-to-everyone mess is  not.  Those 6bone sites should be
> >> > connected as leaf sites to proper  connectivity providers.
> >> 
> >> s/6bone/internet ipv6/
> >> 
> >> Marc.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Pekka Savola                 "Tell me of difficulties surmounted,
> > Netcore Oy                   not those you stumble over and fall"
> > Systems. Networks. Security.  -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords
> > 
> 
> 
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Pekka Savola                 "Tell me of difficulties surmounted,
Netcore Oy                   not those you stumble over and fall"
Systems. Networks. Security.  -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords