Re: spending time on analysis [Re: draft-palet-v6ops-proto41-nat-03 as WG item]

[Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>]

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> While I agree in the importance of the analysis word, and I try to spend
> some of my time on it, there is nothing in the charter that doesn't
> allow to continue other works in parallel, that doesn't define new
> transition mechanism. By the way, I'm still waiting your reply on this
> to my previous email.

Charter item (6) says:

  Identify open operational or security issues with the deployment
  scenarios documented in (5) [...]

And item (5):

5. Publish Informational or BCP RFCs [...]

... a draft does not fulfill that criteria.  IESG approval on  document 
probably would be interpreted to be it.  Working group last call with no 
issues raised is  stretch but could maybe be considered, but anything 
prior to that would be clearly premature.

Of course, it's OK to work on the subjects in parallel, maybe even using 
the mailing list if it's nonintrusive, but one should definitely not 
expect them to become official WG items prematurely.

> Not allowing the WG to work on what they feel is interesting, is
> definitively mining the WG effort, and avoiding the progress.

News: that's how chartering works. Basically, the WG is chartered to do 
certain specific things, not whatever the general WG populace thinks is 
interesting.

> PLEASE, do allow and facilitate the pro-activity and democracy of the
> WG, and if needed allow the WG to interpret the charter instead of
> mandating what you or the AD or the IESG or whoever feels is correct,
> while the WG doesn't believe in it. Otherwise, this will not longer be a
> WG, just a bunch of people willing to work outside of IETF.

The WG does not set the charter.  I fail to see why you even *consider* 
that the WG would have the authority to interpret it?

Sure, if WG feels something is in charter, that's fine.  But that still 
doesn't mean *anything*.  The same works the other way as well.

-- 
Pekka Savola                 "You each name yourselves king, yet the
Netcore Oy                    kingdom bleeds."
Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings