Re: towards phasing out the 6bone

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>]

Hi Bill,

No, I didn't said that, at least was not my intend. Each LIR need to go for
their own RIR ! I was meaning that in general there is no extra cost
"because you need to pay for the production prefix", so in that regards,
keep using 6bone is not good neither rational.

Regards,
Jordi




> De: <bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com>
> Responder a: <owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> Fecha: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:07:12 +0000
> Para: <bob@thefinks.com>
> CC: "bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com" <bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com>, JINMEI
> Tatuya / 神明達哉 <jinmei@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp>, <bob.hinden@nokia.com>,
> "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" <v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> Asunto: Re: towards phasing out the 6bone
> 
> 
> operational costs ... for one.  it is instructive to note
> that none of the RIRs make statements about routability or
> reachability of any delegated prefix -because- there is no
> single authority to mandate routing policy... that is strictly
> a local matter.  so statements such as "all 3ffe routes will
> be filtered on {date}..." strike me as naieve at best.
> Joining an RIR has its own set of costs, not all monetary.
> and contrary to Jordi's apparent assertion, it is not reasonable
> to "shop" RIRs looking for the best deal.  that said, i fully
> expect that all 3ffe:: space to disappear from the routing
> tables of those who filter it (and there are some today who
> filter it) and that number will get larger over the next six
> months.  But it will -NOT- go away on 06jun2006, despite the
> best efforts of the kind folks in the engineering community.
> (witness RIP as a fine example of the IETF depricating a
> technology and the user community ignoring those recomendations :)
> 
> --bill
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 07:20:40PM -0800, Robert Fink wrote:
>> Bill,
>> 
>> Why wouldn't they; or am I overlooking something obvious?
>> 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> ===
>> On 12/26/05, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com
>> <bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>         will -ALL- 3ffe routes be filtered?  i don't  think
>>>         this wil be the case.
>>> 
>>> --bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2005 at 10:29:15PM -0800, Robert Fink wrote:
>>>> Jinmei,
>>>> 
>>>> Your point is a valid one. I will start sending regular reminders to
>>>> the 6bone mail list on 1 Jan 06 and repeat them regularly till 6/6/06.
>>>> 
>>>> In spite of that, many nets will ignore these warnings and thus have
>>>> to take the consequences when all 3FFE routes are filtered out as of
>>>> 6/6/06, and I guess that's just the way it will have to be.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/25/05, JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉 <jinmei@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp> wrote:
>>>>> (Not sure if the v6ops list is the appropriate forum for this topic,
>>>>> but I cannot think of a better place)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear authors of RFC3701,
>>>>> 
>>>>> according to the RFC the 6bone prefix (3ffe::/16) will be phased out
>>>>> on June 2006 and IPv6 routes that match the prefix may be filtered
>>>>> thereafter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, there still seem to be a non-negligible number of 6bone
>>>>> prefixes advertised in the global IPv6 Internet.  For example,
>>>>> http://bgp.potaroo.net/v6/as1221/bgptable.txt
>>>>> list 95 6bone prefixes exchanged via BGP (most of which seem pTLA
>>>>> prefixes).
>>>>> 
>>>>> My question is: shouldn't the IETF take some action for smooth
>>>>> phase-out, avoiding sudden disruption of running services?  For
>>>>> example, shouldn't we send a reminder message about the phase-out plan
>>>>> to the 6bone pTLA operators?  Or are we simply trusting the operators
>>>>> to stop using the prefixes (and probably migrate to production
>>>>> prefixes) by the deadline?
>>>>> 
>>>>>                                         JINMEI, Tatuya
>>>>>                                         Communication Platform Lab.
>>>>>                                         Corporate R&D Center, Toshiba
>>>>> Corp.
>>>>>                                         jinmei@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp
>>>>> 
>>> 
> 




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