Re: DUNDi

["Stastny Richard" <Richard.Stastny@oefeg.at>]

Well said,
 
and it's basically not what Alex or Randy want, bt what some Billion people out there
want. Looking back at VON people want  basically personal devices both
on WiFi and GSM (e.g. OnePhone from Longboard), and they all are based
on E.164 numbers (One number and not one URI), because people want
to be reached on one device via one ID from any network, and this can currently 
and for some time only be an E.164 number. So you have to live with ITU-T for
some time. Side remank: since I live in both worlds, I sometimes have the impression
that IETF is more conservative regarding the Interent then the ITU. Overstating it: Maybe  
some old IETF guys are ready for retirement.
 
Richard

	-----UrsprÃngliche Nachricht----- 
	Von: Duane [mailto:duane@e164.org] 
	Gesendet: Sa 23.10.2004 12:08 
	An: Alex Bligh 
	Cc: Stastny Richard; Randy Bush; Antonio Querubin; VoIP Peering 
	Betreff: Re: DUNDi
	
	

	Alex Bligh wrote:
	
	> I don't actually think the ITU (w.r.t. e.164 numbering) is necessarily
	> the pointy horned creature with forked tail that some people portray
	> it as, but suggesting e.164 (with competitive / alternate root etc.)
	> is going to break the tie to e.164 / ITU numbering is daft. We already
	> have that - just don't use ENUM.
	
	My reasoning for enum is quite simple, in the next 5 to 10 years (at
	least) people will want to stick with what's familiar, after all 100
	years of "phone numbers" is going to be a difficult mind set for some to
	deal with if it suddenly changed tomorrow. While most phones might be in
	fact VoIP devices in the next 5 to 10 years, how many incumbent monopoly
	telcos are likely to let them be addressable by anything but existing
	numbering plans? Whether we like it or not numbers are he to stay for
	quite some time. If you want a good example of mind set, most people
	here where possible get their PABXs to sound like the normal phone
	network because they can't deal with it sounding like something
	completely different.
	
	I think if anything mobile phones and "smart" cordless phones might be
	the first to shift once they include a SIP component and you don't have
	to deal with entering email like addresses in all the time, for the most
	part entering an email like address into a phone for a one off basis
	will be highly inefficient unless you have a better lookup system to
	link people to phones, at this stage the simplest solution is still
	numbers as it saves you from requiring a PDA to make phone calls with.
	People like smallish phones, only geeks and people wanting to save on
	expensive phone calls want 101 key computers to make quick phone calls
	with, so getting better interfaces will be highly important to breaking
	the mind shift.
	
	Finally people will be mightily ticked off in future if geographically
	representing numbers is no more, others and myself have had numerous
	calls at 3am coming in via fat finger dialing/wrong numbers, if the cost
	is reduced and there is no easy way to distinguish where a person in
	relation to their time zone then this trend will only increase. Another
	similar example in Australia is the fact that mobile phone numbers
	aren't geographical based, this of course let the telcos charge crap
	loads for calls but that's another matter, but people often call wrong
	numbers and get someone on the opposite side of the country without
	realising it. For another kicker, the main telco used to charge by distance.
	
	I'm not advocating the ITU or any other telcos, but the fact is numbers
	are a good way of co-existing with almost every other phone on the
	planet at this point in time, rather then trying to make existing
	infrastructure fit in with geek idealism. However DNS makes a good,
	scalable flat file database, it is already implemented in a lot of
	devices/software and it just plain works.
	
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