RE: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-hardie-wg-stuckees-00.txt

["Spencer Dawkins" <sdawkins@cynetanetworks.com>]

Ted,

Speaking only for myself, it would be easier to survey stuckees than trying to envision how many people in the room (which may be packed because of tourists), on the mailing list (high lurker-to-poster ratio), or even on a variety of design teams (if you weren't at the meeting) REALLY care.

We just finished a document that changed stuckees at about version 10, but there was no way for the principal author to say, "I'm done" - so we idled at one update per IETF for a couple of IETFs, until we figured out that this had happened (in hindsight). If we asked, at every IETF, "and who is the stuckee on this document until next time", this would have been more straightforward.

Spencer

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Hardie [mailto:hardie@qualcomm.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:07 PM
> To: The Purple Streak, Hilarie Orman
> Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-hardie-wg-stuckees-00.txt
> 
> 
> Hi Hilarie,
>          Thanks for you comments.  A few responses.
> 
> At 07:43 PM 2/20/2003 -0700, The Purple Streak, Hilarie Orman wrote:

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> 
> >But, despite all the mechanism, I'm not sure what the advantage is
> >over having the chairs say, as they often do, "if no one is 
> interested
> >enough in this work to comment on it, then we will seek 
> dissolution of
> >the WG".  The stuckee method is just a very complicated way 
> of getting
> >at the same idea ("the number of stuckees has fallen below 
> the minimum
> >level for WG").
> 
> It isn't very different.  The only real difference is that 
> the role may be
> just formal enough for people to actually be able to gauge the level
> of effort a bit better.  I know lots of well intentioned folk 
> who agree
> that a particular work item would be valuable, but gauge 
> poorly the work
> *they* need to put in to see it happen.  This provides a potential
> method to help them gauge that (by setting out what they will
> do and on what time schedule) and to help those managing the
> effort know that they have at least N folks willing to make actual
> assertions about the quality of the work.