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RE: Changes in response to IESG review of RTP



You have my trust.

Thanks,
Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allison Mankin [mailto:mankin@psg.com]
> Sent: woensdag 12 maart 2003 1:58
> To: iesg@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Changes in response to IESG review of RTP 
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> For a long time I had a vexing Action Item about sending in the RFC
> Editor notes for the tentative passage of RTP and the RTP Profile to
> Draft Standard.  You guys probably don't remember it, but it was there
> for a while, because the notes were a bit intricate, though nothing
> was substantive.  The most technical change was the SEC AD request to
> point out that the documented encryption approach in RTP should point
> out that an AES-based appraoch was on the way, which these changes
> have done.
> 
> The real reason for delay was a month or so in when we discovered that
> one of the profiles had been implemented in reverse-endian by Cisco,
> due to adhering to an AAL2 pattern.  There ensued a lengthy polling of
> the broad community, including ITU SGs, and assuaging Cisco, before we
> determined that this error was not one that should affect the IETF
> Draft Standard.  But the WG and Chairs had asked me to hold the
> documents while this poll was conducted.  The upshot was no change to
> the profile.
> 
> Then they asked to re-do the drafts, as you see now.  
> 
> Now I would like your trust that the new i-ds are fine and I would
> like to ask the Secretariat to announce them as approved Draft
> Standards, because they really do reflect our review and approval,
> based on my tracking them all the way through.
> 
> Any issues?
> 
> Allison
> 
> 
> > 
> > Date:    Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:41:17 PST
> > To:      iesg@ietf.org
> > cc:      Allison Mankin <mankin@psg.com>
> > From:    Stephen Casner <casner@acm.org>
> > Subject: Changes in response to IESG review of RTP
> > 
> > Dear IESG members:
> > 
> > You may have observed that the following updated drafts have been
> > posted:
> > 
> >     draft-ietf-avt-rtp-new-12
> >     draft-ietf-avt-profile-new-13
> > 
> > These drafts update -11 and -12, respectively, which have 
> already been
> > "tentatively approved" by the IESG for publication as Draft 
> Standards.
> > I realize that the IESG normally does not allow drafts to be updated
> > after they have been reviewed and approved because you do 
> not want to
> > have to review the revised drafts.  However, in this case I received
> > permission from our responsible AD, Allison, to submit 
> revised drafts
> > because the set of changes that I believe should be made is large
> > enough that trying to pass them to the RFC Editor as "RFC Editor
> > notes" is not appropriate.  There are three reasons for this:
> > 
> >   - There were several changes that the IESG requested.
> > 
> >   - The drafts have been under review for more than a year (this is
> >     not a complaint -- some of that time is mine) and during that
> >     period there have been several questions from implementers that
> >     pointed out places where clarification of the text was needed.
> >     I'd like to have the document be the best it can as it goes to
> >     Draft Standard.
> > 
> >   - There are changes in several places where I have tried to
> >     carefully scrub down these documents according to ID-nits and
> >     rfc2223bis.  There are two examples that I think will 
> let you see
> >     why I wanted to handle these revisions through new I-D's:
> > 
> >       - I have changed the order of a few end-sections.  By 
> doing that
> >         in the source, all the refereces are correctly updated.
> > 
> >       - I have fixed all the places where there were not two spaces
> >         after the end of a sentence.
> > 
> > Marking all of these in RFC-Editor-note format would not be pleasant
> > or efficient for me, the IESG, or the RFC Editor.  It would be
> > unreasonable, I think, to have a long list of 
> RFC-Editor-notes in the
> > message announcing approval to the ietf list and the RFC Editor.
> > 
> > To minimize the effort required for you to review these 
> changes, I am
> > providing a package of files to allow you to easily satisfy 
> yourselves
> > that the changes are appropriate:
> > 
> >   - For the differences of substance, I am providing a 
> description and
> >     motivation in RFC-Editor-note format.  This should be 
> all that the
> >     IESG as a whole needs to consider.
> > 
> >   - To let you verify that I have not tried to sneak in any 
> changes of
> >     substance other than those I describe, I have separated the
> >     changes into a series of "layers" (in the Photoshop 
> sense) so that
> >     it is easy to see the differences between each 
> successive pair of
> >     layers using diff or wdiff.  I have provided the diff or wdiff
> >     output as well, but you may also run those programs for 
> yourself.
> >     I assume it would be sufficient for just one IESG member to
> >     perform this verification.  I know there is at least one wdiff
> >     aficionado on the IESG.
> > 
> > This package of files is available in a tarball at
> > 
> >     ftp://ftp.packetdesign.com/outgoing/casner/rtp-diffs.tgz
> > 
> > Since this tarball contains multiple copies of each draft, it is
> > 1.1MB.  Please see the files README-rtp.txt and 
> README-profile.txt for
> > a listing of the layers and the changes they contain.  I would be
> > happy to answer any questions you may have.
> > 
> >                                                         -- Steve
> > 
>