Sunday Retreat topic: IESG determination on the temporary sub-IP area

["Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" <bwijnen@lucent.com>]

This is what Harald announced back in December to the nomcom.
Not sure if this also went out to IETF. It was not on
the subip-area mailing list, or at least I can't find it there

Anyway, the last para says that we will come back to this
issue by March 2003 and that we would have a "plan".

I will work with Alex and Scott to see if we can come up with
a proposal.

Thanks,
Bert 

-----Original Message-----
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand [mailto:harald@alvestrand.no]
Sent: woensdag 18 december 2002 18:45
To: Nomcom@ietf.org
Subject: IESG determination on the temporary sub-IP area



 Since the Atlanta IETF, the IESG has been evaluating community feedback 
 on the sub-IP area.
 It is clear that the community is quite divided on the subject, with a 
 number of people speaking out against making this area permanent, a 
 number of people speaking out in favour of keeping an organization 
 format that seems to be working, and a number of people pointing out 
 various issues with the current situation.

 At the same time, there are a wide-ranging discussions of more basic 
 IETF structural problems, which may very well lead to a wider 
 reconsideration of the area structure of the IETF. Also, the nomcom 
 process is set to make its recommendations for IESG members before the 
 next IETF meeting.

 One suggestion that has been made is to create a "temporary AD" with a 
 tenure of one year. The IESG does not believe this makes sense in 
 practice, as we have observed that it often takes 6 months or more for 
 someone to come up to speed on all the aspects of an IESG member's job, 
 which is too long for an appointment that is only intended to last one 
 year.

 In this situation, the IESG has come to the following conclusion:

 - We will NOT close the sub-IP area by March 2003.
   We will instead encourage the WGs that we think are nearly finished 
   to finish up their work, work further with the architecture of the 
   "sub-IP" technologies, and, together with the participants, try to 
   find the optimal solutions for the management of the working groups.
 - We will NOT ask for a new AD for the area. We will instead look at
   the composition of the IESG after March, and determine then which
   are the best ADs to take on the additional burden of shepherding
   the sub-IP area.

 The IESG will continue to evaluate the situation, based on community 
 input, and revisit the issue in March 2003. If the likely outcome is 
 that the area will have only 2 or 3 working groups by the end of 2003, 
 the IESG will propose a transition schedule for migrating unclosed 
 Working Groups and shutting down the area.
 If there appears to be significant reason for expanding work in this 
 area, without going outside the boundaries of the areas for which the 
 IETF has traditionally been able to contribute significantly to, the 
 IESG may choose a different strategy at that time.

                         Harald Alvestrand
                         For the IESG