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Re: Last Call: An IESG charter to Informational





--On fredag, juni 06, 2003 14:17:42 +0200 Brian E Carpenter <brian@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:

Harald et al,

2. The composition of the IESG
...
   The IETF Executive Director is the person charged with running the
   IETF Secretariat.
...
7.1 Staff supervision

   The IETF Chair has primary responsibility for supervising the work of
   the IETF Secretariat,
There is an inconsistency between these two points - it actually can be
read to imply that the Chair bypasses the ExecD and micro-manages the
Secretariat.

How about
   The IETF Chair has primary responsibility for supervising the work of
   the IETF Executive Director and through him or her, the Secretariat,
... ?
I'd rather try to make it more general - when I negotiate MOU stuff with Kahn & Vezza, I'm not working through the ExDir, but it sure has to do with directing the work of the secretariat. Perhaps a different word than "supervising" should be used?

Also:

2. The composition of the IESG
...
   The IESG also has liaisons, ...
   which positions to have is decided by the IESG.
This is slightly inconsistent with the IAB Charter, which
is BCP, and states that the IAB does have a liaison. Actually it's worse,
when I look at section 3.4 of RFC 2850 - it says
   The chair of the IAB and another full IAB member (other than the IETF
   chair), to be selected by the IAB, shall serve as liaisons to the
   IESG.
(i.e. the IAB Chair is defined as a liaison, not as ex officio).
Mumble. The theory in my mind behind the chair being a member was to make the relationship more symmetrical, to make having two IAB members on the IESG seem slightly less strange, and (when the question of who decided on liaisons came up) to have at least one IAB representative be immutable.

Do you happen to remember the logic being used in 1994 (the language is unchanged from 1601) to justify the "two liaisons" language?

Otherwise, I think the draft states the facts as I experienced them
in the past.
Thanks!

              Harald